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Found on the Web: Reports of Forced Nudity – Archive 3

Part 7

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Note: if you have not already read part 1 of this archive/series, it is recommended that you at least read the introduction to part 1 (at the top of the page) before reading this part, as the introduction provides context and explains the format.

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MN date uncertain; mixed gender locker room

While It was not nude swimming , I did once have a mixed gender locker room experience, and the genders were treated very differently. Around 1974 or 75 I was in a remedial Summer School class for kids with minor learning disabilities but were otherwise high functioning. As a treat our class was taken on a day out to a camp where we swam in an indoor pool away from other guests. Our class had 8 girls and 5 boys, all ages 7 to 9. We were told ahead of time that bathing suits would be provided.

But once we were in the changing area it was obviously a space for females (no urinals & a tampon dispenser on the wall.) But that day there was just this one room for both the girls & boys. It was close quarters, too. Just some benches & lockers, plus a shower head against one wall. When it came time to change, the teacher & her two (female) aides started to help kids change and put their clothes away. They were doing this with all the girls first. Pretty soon there were girls just standing around fully naked waiting to get their bathing suits from the aides. A few of the girls kept a hand between their legs to keep everything from being seen. Others just stood around talking with vulvas and bottoms casually bared.

Once the girls were dressed one of aides, who would be coming into the water with us, had us boys turn around and face the wall so she could change. She then took the girls out to the pool area. Our teacher and the other aide had us boys undress and went through the same procedure with us. So yes, all the boys were seen nude by two adult women, but not by our classmates. After getting our trunks we boys went to the pool area, having already missed out on some of time the girls were out there. The swimming was a lot of fun but over too soon.

When we all went back into the changing room, the girls were gathered together to shower first. We boys were again left to just stand around awaiting our turn, while girls were taking off bathing suits and lining up to shower. None of the adult females in charge told us to look away or leave the room. A couple of girls who were at the back of the shower line started talking with us boys, each one keeping a hand down front to cover their vulvas. One of the aides walked by and told the girls to stop being babies and remove their hands. After they complied the aide said; "see, theirs look just like every other girl's, don't they?", then she just walked away, leaving the girls embarrassed and no longer wanting to talk to us.

When the girl's showers were over and they were all dressed, it was us boys turn to do the same. The girls were taken out of the room, just like they had been when going to the pool. We took off our trunks, got in & out of the showers, and put our regular clothes back on. While showering the one teacher’s aide stood in front of the shower observing us (with all of us nude) and telling us to hurry up and move things along. After the way the modest girls were treated, I did not try to cover my penis, though I wanted to.

Why we were allowed to see the girls nude but they were not allowed to see us? I don’t really know. With three adult females in charge you'd think that they would be more on the side of saving the girls from embarrassment instead of the boys. Maybe female nudity was considered less objectionable at that age because their were no breasts. But why the one aide was so against the few modest girls covering their vulvas when all the other girls left theirs exposed is hard to understand. Maybe we were treated different because there were less boys, and we were essentially just guests in female locker room. I really don’t know, but there was a nudity double-standard that favored boys over girls.

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MN 2005. Some of the posts below are from a voy.com forum that was deleted several years ago, and recovered via archive.org wayback machine.

All of this stuff about different standards for boys and girls locker rooms in school was very true for me. In my high school there were two double doors to the boys' locker room, one at either end. Rain or shine, these were always left open and the two sets of urinals were right next to the doors. From either door, you could look right down the main aisle alongside the rows of lockers and changing boys, towards the other door at the opposite end of the room. The only thing you couldn't see was the showers. As if this weren't bad enough, the coaches office was a big room with a wall of glass that looked direcly INTO the rows of changing boys. And guess what? If the coaches wanted to talk to a girl (we had co-ed PE) about class, or performance in a sport or anything, they'd bring them into the office at the end of class as the boys were changing. This is no joke. I'm totally serious. There would sometimes be two or three girls standing in there talking to the coach looking right out the window at about 100 teenaged dicks. The more modest boys would turn their backs to the window, but quite a few didn't notice because they'd be too busy changing to see that a girl was in there. Like other people have said, girls would hang outside the open doors to the boys locker room all the time, but if a boy ever got within fifty feet of the girls door he'd get detention. Talk about a double standard. This was well known by the girls too because I once heard two girls talking about deliberately getting busted so that they'd get called into the coaches office while the boys were changing.

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MN 2005

My experience was similar to yours, mike. My high school was built in the late 1800s as a school for “troubled” boys. It was later turned into a regular private school for boys, and in the late 1960’s, they started accepting girls. When they did this, they built the girls locker room and showers as an addition to the building. The coaches’ office was in the boys’ locker room, and had a window with a full view of the room, including the showers. There was a door put in to go to the girls’ locker room, but no window. This door was directly opposite the window and anyone standing here had a good view of the boys’ locker room. You couldn’t see into the girls’ locker room, though because there was a screen set up to prevent it. It didn’t happen much during the school year, but girls did go in the office as we were changing and showering. It became a regular thing during the summer sports camp between my junior and senior year, though. What was also a regular occurrence all year was the presence of the female PE instructors and/or other female teachers who did extra duty as coaches for some of the girls’ teams. During the class day there may have only been one or both of the female PE instructors in the office. If one of the female PE instructors was out, one of the female teachers would fill in, so there were times that a teacher would see us showering, then ten minutes later, have us in class. After school, when we had practice, there were always a few female teachers in and out at various times. Of course, they all had full view of the locker room while they were in there, but since the quickest way from the gym to the office was through the boys’ locker room, they would usually just walk through. None of the male teachers ever seemed to think anything of the women being in there while we were showering and changing. I never saw any of the male teachers go into the girls’ locker room.

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UN 2005. This might be an early post by the fantasist (?) as major portions of the post are in the fantasist style. Has the voy.com fantasist been posting since before 2005?

I am amazed as I used to travel around from high school to high school in my area as a member of my high school basketball team back in the early 1980’s (I’m age 38 now), and I used to see the differences in how privacy is treated in the locker rooms of the various school gyms that I visited. The vast majority of the schools did seem to do a pretty good job of giving both boys and girls privacy as they changed clothes and showered in the locker rooms.

However, a few of the schools I used to see just made me drop my mouth wide open in disbelief. At one co-ed high school where I visited, the coaches’/gym teachers’ (both male and female) office was right at the entrance to the boys’ locker room. And as a person walked into this office, he/she had a straight, clear view into a small portion of the boys’ dressing area. A few boys could be seen dressing/undressing in this area, and as other boys walked through this area going to and from the shower area, they could also be seen completely naked!

I checked out the entrance to the girls’ dressing room at that school, and found that there were no offices nor any other door near the girls’ door. And when their door was opened, all you could see was a wall! There was NO straight view into the girls’ locker room, and so there was NO WAY to see into their room! But why in the world would the school put a busy office (especially one where female teachers and girl students could visit) right smack at the entrance to the boys’ locker room?! And why wouldn’t they at least have put up a screen or something so that you couldn’t see right into the boys’ room?! One of my male cousins went to that school and he told me that girls regularly found any excuse to go see a coach or female PE teacher in that office right when the boys are showering after PE class. And new, young female teachers always show up at this office within the first few days of every new schoolyear to “check it out”. My cousin said that as we boys showered and changed, we could hear the new female teachers (in that office with the male PE teachers) giggling and laughing at how easy it is to “check out the nude boys”! I’m sure those female teachers were very glad they chose the teaching profession!! And my cousin says he NEVER, EVER saw any male teachers go even close to the girls’ locker room! They wouldn’t dare!! It must have been only a female privilege to get to check out the opposite sex nude! HOW CAN THOSE SCHOOL OFFICIALS POSSIBLY JUST LET GIRLS STAND THERE AND CHECK OUT NUDE BOYS LIKE IT’S NOTHING??! Don’t they know many girls get a BIG turn on out of THAT??! ...and then these girls go embarrass the boys further by blabbing what they saw all around school??!

Frequently, when designers convert an all-boys school to a co-ed school, they leave the boys’ restrooms and locker rooms with minimal privacy, thus making the naked boys very vulnerable to the girls in school, but at the same time, they build brand new VERY PRIVATE restrooms and locker rooms to make sure the ladies’ naked bodies are fully protected from their male classmates!

Another male cousin of mine went to an all-boys high school. He said that if you stand at the extreme end the main lobby immediately outside their school’s gym, you can see directly down a flight of stairs into a small hallway that connects he boys’ locker rooms (for both home and visiting teams) with the shower room. At all girls-schools the girls’ locker rooms are like fortresses. They want to make sure THEIR girls are protected from “peeping boys”. But some of these all-boys schools act as if they don’t even expect female visitors ever at the school -- which of course is ABSURD!! Anyway, most people who visit the gym at my cousin’s all-boy school never walk by that area of the lobby (where you can see into the boys’ locker room a little bit). But some of the girls who visit there to watch boys’ basketball games, also end up watching the boy players walk naked through that little hallway after the games, as the girls loiter at the top of those stairs, because those girls have discovered this very convenient “peeping opportunity”! My cousin said one night after a game, some giggling girls were standing there as usual enjoying a “naked peep show” (courtesy of the boy players), when a male teacher at this all-boys school walked right by them. Now get this! All the teacher did was shook his head as he smirked and said to the girls “Have a nice evening, ladies!”, and he walked on by and out of the gym. That’s all!! Are you kidding me??!

Both of these examples and the ones you other guys posted here really shows how so many schools want us boys to believe that it’s somehow “just fine” and “no big deal at all” when a girl sees a teenage boy nude. Girls are mature and well-behaved, so boys shouldn’t be concerned about what the girls or female teachers see. (The schools just ignore the fact that for many girls, this is a DREAM opportunity to see ALL of the other sex, and many girls will gossip and tease about what they see on naked boys!) But the girls must NEVER, EVER be put into a position where a bunch of howling and whistling boys could see their precious naked bodies. Of course, I’m glad girls are this well-protected, because I love and respect my 3 sisters, and if it came down to a choice between either one my sisters being embarrassed nude or ME being embarrassed nude instead, I would choose ME to be nude instead of my sister, because I would ALWAYS protect a lady’s modesty, even if it cost me my modesty! But man Oh man, there should also be some more gender BALANCE to this modesty thing in schools and YMCA’s!

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MN 2005; a reply to above post.

You’re right about the differences in the schools regarding their attitude toward boys’ modesty. I went to my high school in the early to mid 1970s – right on the heels of the “women’s lib” and “free love” eras. The school went co-ed not too long before. As I mentioned, it was built as a reformatory of sorts for boys, so privacy was not a concern, but keeping an eye on the unruly boys was. Hence, the need for a full view of the locker and shower rooms. When the school went coed, they didn’t have the money nor space to build a separate office for the female staff, so they had to share with the men. According to an older brother of a friend who was there for the transition, this caused some problems. The boys did not want the women there when they were showering and complained about it. Worse still, was that they would regularly bring girls into the office with them. To make a long story short, it was worked out that the female staff could stay, but couldn’t bring girls in while the boys were changing. Nobody ever seemed to give a good explanation as to why they couldn’t put curtains or something in the windows. “We have to keep an eye on you hooligans” one male coach told them. It was kind of like “Too bad, get used to it.” Which they did.

By the time I got there, this was the status quo. In fact, it kind of relaxed a bit, as girls did make their way into the office while the boys were showering. There was a difference, though, depending on the time of day. PE classes were not coed, so the only time a girl might have made it into the office while boys were showering was if their class followed a boys’ class. It didn’t happen often, but it did happen. After school sports was a different story. Since there were boys and girls sports, the girls were there at the same time as the boys. When the various practices were over, everyone went to the showers. Since there were many more boys in sports than girls, it took the boys longer to shower since we had to take turns. It was fairly common that girls would be in the office while the last of the boys were showering. As I mentioned before, the female coaches were always around.

I made reference to one summer sports camp being different. This was the summer between my junior and senior years. The camp was only open to students who played sports, although it wasn’t mandatory. I had been to it the other two summers and it was pretty much like during the school year in terms of girls being around during showers. The camp was run by the four PE instructors – two men and two women. This one summer, though, we had four women. One of the male coaches left the school at the end of the year, and the other one broke his leg while on vacation. The only replacements they could get to commit to the whole summer at such late notice were two of the female teachers who also coached. The summer started out like the others, but as time wore on, the “no girls rule” fell by the wayside. Either nobody really noticed the change until it was too late to complain, or none of us wanted to seem like a “baby” for complaining about it. Eventually, girls were always in the office while boys were showering.

There wasn’t too much in the way of outright teasing at any time of the year. Whether it was maturity, “team spirit,” or threats from the coaches, the girl athletes didn’t tease us boys. It was no secret that they enjoyed the lopsided arrangement; we basically lived with because we hadn’t much choice. We were all expected to act like “adults” and pretty much, we did. There was some teasing by younger girls who got the odd chance to see the boys during PE class, but since that didn’t happen very often, it never got to be a problem.

I don't know of any other school, public or private, where things were quite like this. I did hear of women coaches going in the boys lockerroom when they were being rowdy, but not as a regular occurrance. Certainly, no girls were allowed, although some did get peeks.

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FN 2005

In Junior High School in 1967, boys had mandatory nude swimming in gym class. Girls swam separately with other girls and wore a thin nylon one piece bathing suit that did not have a built-in bra. Girls constantly complained to our female swim instructor of the lack of any personal modesty. We felt embarrassed wearing a skin-hugging suit. After a few swim classes, she got tired of our wining and opened the door from the pool to the boy’s locker room half way through our swim class. We were surprised that the boy’s lockers were in a large open room. She then had us go into the boys shower room and stand in front of a wall of nozzles. We were shocked that there were no curtains or dividers in the shower room. She flipped a lever and all the showers came on with a loud whoosh. With a big smile on her face, she told us that if we were boys that we would be naked and the gym teacher would control the water temperature. As we walked back to the pool she told us that if we were boys that we would be required to swim without a swimsuit. We girls looked at each other in disbelief. From that day on, we girls never complained again of our revealing swimsuits. We were glad that we were born girls and that we were permitted to wear a swimsuit and take a private shower.

My girlfriends were astonished with what our gym teacher had told us, so we girls asked my twin brother if it was true that the boys swam completely naked. He blushed and told us that it was indeed true. He said that the first swim class was the most shocking experience for 7th grade boys because that is when boys found out about the mandatory nude swim requirement. Most of the 7th grade boys had brought their swimsuits that first class but were teased by 8-9th graders who told them that boys had to swim completely naked. Some boys were shy and did not want to strip, but it was compulsory for boys and no exceptions were allowed. They were embarrassed as they walked to the pool that first day. My twin brother said the boys lined up along both sides of the pool for attendance. As their name was called they would yell here and jump in the pool. He told us that when he jumped into the pool the first time and felt the cool water around his body he soon realized that he would be swimming nude for over an hour. He said that he felt jealous that his twin sister could wear a swimsuit in the pool but he had to swim naked. He said that hated swim class but after 5-6 classes he said that he became desensitized and resigned to the compulsory nude swim requirement for the boys.

We girls would daydream in class when they saw a cute boy carrying a towel but no sneakers. Girls knew that no sneakers meant that he had swimming in gym class later that same day and would be naked in a pool with 50 other boys. We girls would get very aroused just thinking about it. My girlfriends asked my brother how it felt to swim naked. He said that it was difficult because he had classes following gym and saw pretty girls with long hair and short skirts. He said that he was very aroused after his swimming class and when girls would tease him he would blush and get more stimulated. He said he enjoyed talking to my girlfriends and me about his swim class experiences. He said he dreamed at night of what it would be like to see girls swimming nude but he agreed that girls were too modest and could never swim naked like boys. We girls never understood why boys had an open gang shower and swam completely naked while us girls had private showers and could wear a swimsuit. There was no reason for it. I guess it was just another double standard, but I was very glad that I was born the female twin.

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FN 2005

I went to HS in Ridgewood NY where we were allowed to wear one piece suits while it was rumored that the boys weren't for hygiene purposes. One day the bell rang and our swim coach unlocked the door from the lockerroom to the indoor pool and a class of sophomore boys were still naked inside as someone tricked their coach by jamming the door to their lockerroom closed effectively locking them inside the pool area. All the boys were standing by the door naked except for the coach who was trying to unlock the door. As we entered, the boys turned and ran to the pool and jumped in while trying to hide their genitals with their hands and then splashing the water. It was very stimulating to see their privates flopping around as they ran and jumped in the water. Quite a few nice little butts were turned towards us to keep us from seeing their fronts. Our coach tried to round up our group to return to our locker area but alot of the girls including myself stood there laughing and trying to visually take it all in and sort through the male bodies to see if we could recognize any of these embarrassed boys from any of our classes. Finally our coach seeing that many of the girls were not listening brought our towels out and started throwing them to the boys in the water and to those that were huddled around the bleachers. We will never forget the red faces and the many different sized genitalia that were accidentally exposed to us. Great fun for us but sure must have been humiliating for most of the boys. Don't know if this double standard takes place nowadays as this was 15 yrs ago but it seems like yesterday.

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MN 2005

I know this is slightly off the subject of medical procedures, but I was wondering if the modesty differences also apply to other areas in your schools, such as in PE class?

As a male, I know that back when I was in school, the boys were not given any privacy in the locker room for changing, showering, group physicals, etc. If a female teacher or nurse happened to come into the locker room when we were in there changing or showering, well, that was just too bad for us. If some of the female students just happened to hang around the entrance to the boys gym, they could easily see into the locker room since that door was always kept open. Everyone knew this, but there was nothing ever done about it.

It was just expected that we simply wouldn't care if we were seen either nude or semi-nude by the other boys (or girls) or teachers. In my experience this applied to the boys but not the girls.

Your comments concerning the military style of addressing the boys also reminded me of how things were done. That included what we were allowed to wear or not wear. We were required to change completely into our gym uniforms, and had to first remove all of our street clothing including underwear. So when you were changing, there was always a time when you were completely nude, or at best, wearing just an athletic supporter (jock). I don't know what the rules were for the girls, but I always assumed that they at least got to keep their normal underwear on.

So I agree that there is a double standard, but it also applies to much more than medical procedures.

I'd be interested in hearing your comments about this.

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UN, date uncertain

When I moved to the high school, the district went to co-ed PE. With that, they instituted co-ed locker rooms. This was the time of the ERA (the time there was a push to get the Equal Rights Amendment passed and a discussion of equal rights for women). So for schools, boys and girls were to be treated equal, even in the locker rooms. We dressed for PE and showered together in the same communal showers and after the first awkward week, we all got over it.

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My father once told me they had mixed girls' and boys' open gym showers when he went to high school, and that was in the 1930‘s. He said it was no problem, everybody found out what everybody else looked like, so what?

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MN 2003; comments on the PE teachers of the 60's and 70's

I was in junior high and high school in the 60's, graduating from high school in the early 70's. My experience with PE teachers (for boys) in that period led me to believe that they were subhuman:

They LOVED to humiliate the boys in any way possible, as often as possible

They would spank students (but not very often)

Incompentent and lazy - not bother to teach students anything and then test them on things they did not even teach

Nudity - or threat of nudity - was used as punishment/threat of punishment (mostly threat; they preferred to make us run laps for an hour instead)

No regard for boys modesty - girl students who worked in the school office would (on occasion) deliver messages to coaches in the boys locker room at shower time; female teachers and parents would also visit at shower time.

Pushed us very hard - some PE classes we ran, non-stop, the entire class; very exhausting for us.

As well:

Boys PE uniform was not modest: extremely short shorts plus t-shirt. Girls wore ugly unitards that looked cumbersome and uncomfortable.

The boys locker room was not designed to provide privacy.

We had to shower naked at end of class, but did not have to swim nude. In high school there was a rumor that the boys on the swim team (which was co-ed) had to swim nude. That came from a very unreliable source and I did not even try to verify it as swimming in high school PE Class we were *required* to wear swimsuits. The area I was in was a surfer area so modest surfer baggies were the most common swimsuit type for boys, while some girls wore bikinis. Boys and girls swam at separate pools in high school. We did not have swimming in junior high or elementary.

The horrid treatment of boys by the PE teachers was a significant factor in developing my personal disdain for organized team sports; this disdain continues to this day.

----- a PS by the same poster:

I believe that many of these PE teachers were ex-military and wanted to "toughen up" us boys in case we were drafted for the endless wars of the (Vietnam war) era. That also may partially explain why they had no regard for our modesty.

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MN date uncertain. This was intended to be included in the 1st series of "Found on the Web" but was accidentally excluded.

When I was beginning 8th grade, we moved from the South to a small community in the North. This was in the early 70's. The school that I came from didn't have a pool, so there were no swim classes. I was surprised to learn that my new school had a pool, and then even more surprised to learn that we were not allowed to wear trunks in the pool. I remember being really nervous about it on the first day, but everyone else was used to it, and after that it got easier. Swim classes went on that way through high school. We never had a female instructor. We didn't have coed classes at first, but it was not at all unusual for girls to be in the pool area while we were naked. When classes did become coed, for swimming we divided into boys and girls groups, with the non-swimming group having a class in the gym. There were big windows between the pool and the gym where the girls classes were gong on, so it was pretty easily viewable. I am pretty sure that every girl in my grade saw me naked on more than one occasion. The attitude seemed to be that that's the way it was, so it was really no big deal.

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At a private club in Maryland, young boys all swam naked. Girls, of all ages always wore swim suits, even if just a bottom, for little girls. I don't recall a published policy, but I think that, regardless of age, after boys began to display obvious signs of puberty, they just started, or were asked to wear swim suits. That went on until the 1970s, when the Board of Trustees required all to were swim suits. That reflected a changing attitude toward any public nudity.

I was only a youth myself, but I can agree that at the club, to me anyway, it seemed that the time for boys to suit up, either on his own or by suggestion, was after he had developed a defined pattern of pubic hair. My brother, for instance, fair haired, light complexion, was almost 15 before his started to appear. This applied to open or recreational swim. Early morning lessons, however were always nude for boys, whether pubescent or not, until the rules were changed.

Sure we enjoyed it. The little boys were just that, little. Up to 10 there was now much difference between soft and hard except that it was sticking up or out. After 11 there would be a significant change in both size and length. But, boys did not just walk around all day with erections. Yes they happened, but there would be days when there were none, it least that I saw. On other days, all it would take was for one boy to come up stiff and there would be three or four following in a row.

There were some boys who would be embarrassed. One I can clearly remember was a kid at the beginning of the summer, he was finishing 7th grade. We had last seen him naked in the fall, and he had not started much development. I saw him dropped off by his parents and waved to him as he went into the locker room. Shortly, he came out, naked, and started over to the pool. He had developed quite a bit over the school year, but no sign of hair. My friends and I got up and walked over to him, both to say hello, and get a better look. My friend gave him a big hug, not at all intended to be sexual, but he immediately began to become erect. It was such a unexpected reaction that we all just stood there and watched it come up full. He was very embarrassed, became totally flustered and turned around and returned to the locker room. It might have been a half hour before he came out again.

Yes, we did talk among ourselves about the boys a lot.

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MN

my high school required us to wear the suit they provided. The suits were unlined speedo-style bikini briefs. We were given a different suit every day, so we prayed we were given the correct size. The classes were co-ed and the boys suits didn't leave anything to the imagination. Suffice it to say that I never got any offers to date after swim class.

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MN

While girls might not have been “allowed” to watch boys swimming naked in class, they certainly were not “prevented” from watching. It became obvious that completely segregating the girls and boys P.E. programs in our school was going to be impossible.

By the time I made it to Junior High, I believe they had pretty well given up on separating the boys and girls entirely, they were separated with the girls doing volleyball in the gym and boys swimming in the pool (nude), or vice versa. (Bear in mind that the pool and the gym were opened to one another sharing the locker rooms and shower facilities.)

By the time I had made it to Senior High, boys and girls were allowed in the pool at the same time. (Boys nude and girls wearing a “school issued” swimsuit). We even participated in relay races with boys and girls on the same teams with one another.

Before your imagination paints you a picture of wild and zany orgies, let me assure you that the activities were well supervised and chaperoned. A girl could be dismissed or expelled for a simple wardrobe malfunction, and a boy could wind up running laps in the gym for getting an erection.

Over the years these standards (or lack thereof) were eliminated, and if they were not completely gone by the time “TITLE IX” legislation came about, it certainly was!

Personally I like the old standards. I liked the boys swimming naked, with or without the girls presence. I find nothing wrong with my sons swimming naked with or without girls around, as long as the girls keep their suits on. I also have no problem with my daughter swimming alongside naked boys, as long as she keeps her suit on.

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MN

Although we had separate boys and girls swim and gym classes, the girls swim classes could be right before or right after a boys class where all the boys were nude. So the girls would march in with their teacher while the boys were still getting out. Also for meets at the Y, the boys would swim nude in front of a mixed audience. No one seemed to care about any of this.

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MN

I grew up in the 60's and 70's, our school had no pool but through elementary and high school we used the pool at the y. When young up to about 8th grade we swam nude as did the girls. Boys at one end and girls at the other. As we approached 8th grade we did swimming medley withe the girls. Once we were in H.S. we had swim classiest before the girls still at the Y. The boys swam nude and the girls wore one piece. They always came in Earle and sat in the benches in pool area. Nobody made a big deal out of it. When we had meets at night all boys for each age group were nude. The girls all wore suits. The parents and relatives sat in bleachers for the meets. I never understood as when the meets were over we all showered and changed in the same dressing room as it was a YMCA. I also recall mothers were always in the dressing room. It was a different time.

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MN

I graduated from High School in 1959 and swam naked in swimming in school. It was just so expected that I had no problems with it, neither hated nor enjoyed it. I was also the photo editor of the yearbook and had to take photos of the swim team for the yearbook. One of the guys never got the memo to be sure to have a swimsuit with him. I retouched the print when it was sent to the printer, but the printer must have thought it was dirt, and erase some of the ink. Luckily, the person doing so must have realized this was not going to be a good idea, so stopped, only part of the suit remained, enough to leave modesty.

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MN

I remember it well. It seemed a bit odd at first, but we became accustomed to it. After a while, it was the normal routine. In school and public places like the Y, swimming sessions were split between male and female. That meant that boys and girls were not allowed to swim together at the same time. It did not necessarily mean that there were never girls in the pool area while the boys were swimming or boys in the pool area while the girls were swimming. The girls could easily access the pool from the gym and actually sit and watch us. We could do the same, but those bulky suits the girls had to wear didn’t provide for an entertaining sight.

Boys had to come out of the locker rooms completely naked. The could carry a towel with them, but it had to be put on the benches and not carried to the pool. Girls on the other hand had to wear a bulky one piece swimsuit and remain clothed at all times. A girl could be dismissed for a “wardrobe malfunction”.

I remember, as a boy at the time, thinking that the girls were the ones that were inconvenienced. We had fun, naked fun. Innocent fun, for the most part, because everyone was naked. It was like being a youngster at home all over again. The poor girls weren’t allowed to have this kind of fun because of the strict NO NUDITY rules imposed on them. As time went by, people started imposing moral values upon us that put an end to it, and then the “Title IX” legislation practically forced things co-ed.

I don’t know when boys naked / girls suited policies got started, but they were still in place through the late 1960s.

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in the late 50s and early 60s at the YMCA, Men and boys swim in competitions were always swimming naked. Girls and women would watch from the bleachers. This was common place. Nobody thought it wrong, it simply took place.

i asked my female cousin if she remembered it and she did, saying it was considered completely normal.

she also reminded me in the very erly she and I and others took swimming lessions at our country club and they were always in the nude…again… not a big deal This all took place at the YMCA in Queens, NY and in Nassau, Country on Long Island

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MN

From my memories of those days, our primary concern wasn’t whether or not we were seen nude by the girls. Being naked while in the pool was old hat: it was normal just like wearing the little, immodest hip covering shorts was if we were on the basketball team.

Collectively among both the girls and the boys, we all didn’t think so much as it being unfair to the boys to have to be naked and the girls possibly getting to see us. We all thought it was unfair to the girls that we got to be naked and they didn’t. I knew a lot of girls who wanted, very much, to get in the pool without the ‘school issued’ woolen one piece suit.

Our school eventually eased off the separation of the girls and the boys pool time, but still maintained the boys nudity and the girls mandatory wearing of their suits. They were strict about it, a girl could be suspended and possibly expelled even for an innocent wardrobe malfunction. I remember one girl whose suit broke and everybody got to see her thirteen year old breasts…..she was suspended from all pool activity for the rest of the school year.

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MN

In indian schools in 2005–2008, all boys were required to be nude on [swim meet] field trips. It was to differentiate between schools,so one year one school would have It's boys naked, and the others could wear speedos, and vice versa the next year. The schools could afford only one type of swimsuit,so the rule made sense. I remember the first time this happened,around 6th grade. We were a little awkward, cause girls were there too,and they were clothed, And we could hear them giggling. Half of us had boners. Our pe teacher just told us to go with the flow,and we got used to it. We would also get naked at certain religious sites.

***** The following posts are very old, from a topix.com forum (deleted long ago), recovered via archive.org wayback machine

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FN 2008

In the mid 70's I was on the swim team of a Big 10 school. We were allowed to use the same weight room as the guys. Apparently the Federal law required it. This necessitated that we walk down a hallway from the pool and turn left into the weight room. The right was the shower room. When we walked out of the weight room we could see 3 shower heads which sometimes had guys under them taking showers. At first I was very embarrassed by this. Many of the girls put towels over their heads. As time went by, some of us really enjoyed it.

I am curious if anyone out there remembers this. If so, give more information so I can tell if you really were there.

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MN 2009

I was forced to swim naked during my pre-university days but was never on any swim team. The swim team was required to swim practices naked but consisted only of males. Actual meets were held covered.

According to a previous girlfriend who was on the mixed gender swim team at her university, the girls swam practice in suits but requested nudity from the boys, all but one of whom complied. I cannot confirm her story but have never known her to tell tales. She did say this was during early morning warm-up practice, sans coach.

She added that all of the males had typical swimmer's bodies, meaning they had nothing of which to be ashamed. I asked her how exactly one managed to induce the males team members to strip, save one. She replied that they asked.

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MN 2009

This was also common practice in some schools in Germany up to at least the 70s, where boys practiced in the nude together with girls in swimsuits. But I think this was only up to a certain age, about 13 or 14. They even competed together so in front of mixed spectators, including the rest of the school mixed students, during swim meets. I read this in an article in a magazine back then, which included some pictures. I think that they were so used to it that they didn't mind.

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MN 2009

I swam nude at an Indianapolis public high school. My 1-8 education was at a small lutheran school that had no locker room or gym, let alone a pool. With no prior experience, I adapted to nude swimming within about 10 seconds. After that, it became as normal to swim nude in the school pool as swimming with a suit was at a public outdoor pool. Nudity was simply "what was" and it was not questioned. I will say that my school went to great pains to make sure that neither adult females nor girls could spy on our butts. The layout of the locker rooms did not facilitate spying, and an old janitor made sure that no female student or teacher "wandered in" on us. Funny thing is, most of the boys wanted swim class to be co-ed, and we would have tolerated nudity, speedoes, board shorts, or victorian swimming costumes if it meant swimming with girls! Did not happen. The head of the AD was very concerned that our privacy be protected while we were naked, and he went to great pains to be sure that no chance for spying or "accidental" run-ins could happen. Come to think of it, I now respect him for that. The AD head wanted us to be confortable in our skins, and he realized that nudity would be hard for some kids. Rules were in efect to make sure that the practice was tolerable by all.⁯

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MN date uncertain, probably 2009

This incident is weird: In 1948 when I was eleven and my sister almost fourteen, our grandfather took us on a tour of his college campus. At the swimming pool, from behind a tiny ceiling-high balcony, reached by a secret passageway, we looked down unnoticed at some twenty guys practicing, all of them nude. I was embarrassed for the guys and annoyed (read, "envious") at my sister that she was getting to see (college age) guys nude. Given our secret presence, I couldn't yell to the guys to take cover, so ironically I had to let my sister enjoy the view. Grandfather knew perfectly well they would be there nude. For years I have wondered why he did it; my guess is that it had to be for my sister's "benefit," not mine, but bringing me along let him get away with it. The things nude guys have to put up with!

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MN 2009

My "free" swimming experience was in the Indianapolis public school system of the 1970s. It was very private at my HS- no female teacher or student was ever anywhere around the pool when I was there for gym. IIRC the boys swam on M/W/F and the girls on T-Th, and no girl could have been given the vantagepoint to oggle naked guys. Many girls did go to swim meets, however, and after the 72 Olympics everyone wore american-flag suits or solid black speedoes that covered about three square inches of flesh. I also remember that one mennonite kid on one jehovah witness kid wore suits, and it was no problem for them. It was not at all sexual, although I would not have noticed if anyone were looking at my butt. Overall, the experience was positive. High school can be a very status-conscious and socially trying time. Swim class was one place where you could relax, play in the water, and just be yourself. Kids were not on Prozac in those days and only a few super hotheads were on Ritalin. The pool was a place to "cool off" both physically and mentally. Far from being stressful, the casual nudity made it a more relaxing time.

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MN 2007

I seem to be one of three guys on this thread from Minnesota. Maybe we should all get together and talk about old times!

I grew up in a small town up north, and swimming nude was not only the norm for all ages and all grades, it was considered healthful and hygenic, and good for us. I never experienced swimming any other way than naked.

Our 10th & 11th grade gym teacher was a former marine and bodybuilder who thought the human body was God's finest creation, and he taught our swim class in the nude. He was completely out there when it came to his body, and made no attempt at modesty. If another teacher came to the pool during class, he would stand there fully nude and talk. Two or three times when he was called to the office, he just put on a towel.

We had a few student teachers over the years, and they taught swim class in the nude as well. There were also times when we had substitute teachers. Those guys did not teach in the nude, but there were a few occasions when we had women substitutes. Of course, they wore clothes, but we did not. That was a little strange at first, but we got used to it pretty quickly.

When we were in the gym, we did not wear shirts. This wasn't a punishment. With boys playing sports, it just made more sense. More comfortable, less laundry. It wasn't uncommon for the football players or hockey players or the swim team members to lose even the shorts sometimes during an especially sweaty activitiy. Naked in the gym was as acceptable as naked in the pool.

I was on the swim team almost my entire life. Our practices were nude, and our swim coach (who was not the gym teacher) was also nude. Suits weren't an option. At meets, our warm-up laps were done in the nude, even with spectators. If we chose to, we could put on our suits just before the competition got under way, but this was NOT required. Sounds strange today, I know, but suits were optional at swim meets, and most of us went without. We didn't think of this as gay, or exhibitionist or sexual. We just preferred swimming this way. We had been swimming nude our entire lives, and we often had spectators when we practiced naked, so it was not a big deal to do the same at competitions. It was no secret that swimming was always nude at school, so neither was it a surprise that the swim team competed that way. Again, this was a sport, not a peep show. I know it would be viewed differently today, but it was how things were back then.

There's plenty more I could say, but I'll give someone else a chance.

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MN 2007

Thanks for your comments on the "old days" in Minnesota. I was on the basketball team and we had to make 20 baskets in a row when shooting free throws. If we missed one we had to remove an article of clothing. Some of the guys never made it and ended up naked. The girls who came to watch practice loved that. Some of the girls on the swim team were "rebels" and went nude during practice like the guys but never at meets. Some of the girls would come during boys practice and swim laps in the nude with them. It was unusual in Minnesota to have an outdoor pool. I had a friend who had one and everyone loved skinny dipping there in the summer. There was no sex at all but the girls would tease us about the "shrinkage" the guys had. Later at HS reunions we would all laugh at how much fun we had in the nude when we were young.

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MN 2007

I happened on this site after a conversation with a group of guys who grew up in the 50's and 60's and wanted to know the reason for required nude swimming. It was totally acceptable then without question but no reason was given for requiring nude swimming for guys.

Like others who posted comments, I found swim class at the Y, P.E. swim class in high school and swim team of which I was a member always in the nude. Our Y instructor was nude for class as was our swim coach during practice. There were no questions about this custom. Unlike some others we only competed twice in the nude and only once before a small but mixed male-female crowd. Even then there was no sense of embarrasment or inappropriateness.

Personally, this was never an issue for me. Common showers and nude swim were normal. I am amazed at young guys today who are so uncomfortable that they cannot change clothes in a locker room or shower. I do not think that attitude is healthy or normal, but maybe that is how I grew up.

Whatever the reason for the practice, it did engender a comfortableness with our bodies and a de-sexualized sense of our bodies. Perhaps today the connection between sexuality and nudity is inappropriately connected.

Yet I never understood the reason for rquiring nude swimming.. At times we heard about suits clogging the pool filters but girls' swim suits were required. I think the practice just was part of the idea that guys being nude was neither sexual nor offensive.

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MN 2009

I attended YMCA summer camp on Catalina Island near Los Angeles in the early 1950's. It was a camp just for boys aged 11 and 12. We wore swim suits all week, but the last day was "optional nude swim day." Participation was voluntary, but almost all of the boys swam naked. The camp director lived on the island all summer with his wife and three daughters. Their house was right near the shoreline. When we came out of the ocean and went to pick up our towels, we could see the director's three daughters watching us from their front window. Nobody complained. I think we were all delighted that the girls were interested enough in us to watch! But that was in the 1950's, and guys today might be more modest.

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FN 2010

Belive it or not there were some females in Hamilton Ontario who wanted to allow nude swimming for females at the YWCA pool after they heard that the males swam nude at the YMCA, but the YWCA pool had an open viewing area where the general public could see the pool at all times, so obviously this was impossible. I know for a fact though that the downtown YWCA did allow nude swimming at their pool in Vancouver B.C. Canada for a while in the early 1980's, but this practice stopped when that YWCA became co-ed as well.

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MN 2010

I am the guy who was forced to swim naked in HS. Didn't understand why since the girls were required to wear suits. They told us we could not wear them because of the filters getting clogged. So, that was obviously not the real explanation. Nobody knows the real explanation and I no longer really care. I DO care that we were required to strip naked even if class was canceled, and from time to time naked boys were put in front of the class so that 'muscle groups' could be named and examined. To me this was bizarre.(Some of the teachers are now in jail.)

This is obviously different from the Y, where one had a choice to join. You are not 'forced' if you can walk away from the situation. Others have written about fraternity initiations where the boys had to be naked in front of girls. Yes, that happens but the boys have a choice to walk away. By contrast, HS was a forced situation.

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FN 2010, from the UK

Became a trainee journo in 2001 with a local paper called the XXXXXXXXX. Spent time doing the usual stories and bored to death much of the time interviewning local councillors etc.

About 8 months into the job a sports reporter fell badly ill and was off work for about 10 months. The editor of the paper asked me to take his duties,which involved hanging around local football and rugby games each weekend and mid weeks. I cared little for the sport to be honest, but to do the job like my colleague had done I needed plenty of access, and backstairs too.

October 2001 and I got sent to cover a local football team called Trojans, and after the game was hanging about a bit unsure, when the teams manager asked me in the changing room to chat.

Walked in and almost the entire team was stripped off, sending me into a minor flutter. A bit of fake laughter ensued but none seemed bothered and I ended up sitting down on a players bench, taking down notes while the team captain, and another player sat next to me, not even bothering with a towel. Inside I was more embarrassed than they were.

Regularly reported on this team over the months, always allowed into the changing room, no one cared that I was a female reporter, saw the entire team naked, no one hid their tackle from me, and as I could check out the talent on offer, I asked one of the players out one day, while he was getting dressed after a game. I'd seen what he had to offer, thought I'll have some of that thankyou very much, and now Paul and me have been married for 5 years.

I'd entered a few other men's rooms in the months I did the job, all with the same attitude, and would often be interviewing a player standing naked in front of me without a towel covering his modesty. Some lad were clearly bold as brass.

Infact it was probably the highlight of my short spell as a stand in sports reporter.

What female would have refused the chance i got given there I often wonder.:-)

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MN 2010, from the UK

Stripped soaked and shivering within school grounds was bad but cross country through local towns and villages was positively mortifying.

We where not permitted trunks in the pool and had to swim naked. The reason given was the fairy story of blocking the filters, however other teams and masters wore suits in the same pool?

The practice of tying or wrapping a towel around ones waist was strictly prohibited. The pool filters story was a widely used myth but our games master had a very vivid story to tell of a boy who tripped and gashed his head open because of the deadly 'towel around his waist'.

Thankfully I was not on the school swim team as they suffered the ultimate humiliation of having to compete naked. I recall attending a swimming gala at the school (c1958/59) to watch my older brother compete. My mother and aunt where in attendance, as where many other mums and even teenage sisters.

The boys from the opposing teams wore suits but the lads from our team did not. They had to parade themselves in front of a mixed audience with their manhoods on display. The attitude of the school was 'they're just boys' no harm done. These 'boys' where 14-18 years old at various stages of sexual development and at a time when regular erections happen for no reason what so ever.

The boys must have been so anxious to get into the water to cover up, I'm surprised they ever won. They were kept standing around the side of the pool due to the large number of competitors and had to do their warm up stretches in front of everyone. One didn't dare cover ones genitalia as this would have led to snide remarks and punishment for 'something'. The games master used a few methods of punishment but rarely caned. The neck strap from his whistle was like a hot poker across the thigh. During gym training when the climbing ropes where out it was ill advised to upset him or fail a task. He would call you over and make you stand near the hanging rope and lash your legs with the end of the heavy rope. One lash of that rope would leave bruising for some time and the rough texture would really decimate a lads skin. This wasn't a regular occurrence as he normally punished us through extra training like laps of the field, press ups etc. He was great believer in punishing the whole class for one boys mistakes, which led to reprisals in the dormitory.

A minor infraction would be dealt with by a vicious pinch to the sensitive flank or twist of the nipple, if you were lucky. These where extremely painful and if he pinched your flank you'd have a nasty bruise. I do recall him using a boys own plimsole to beat the lad. I remember because it was a wicked beating and I was somewhat involved. The lad was 15/16 at the time. A few days before the end of term he was caught lashing me with a towel. Naked and wet from the shower the Games Master had him lay flat upon the bench and used the plimsole to beat the boy. The beating seemed to last an age and he was severely marked when the teacher finally ran out of steam. He had completely lost his temper and had even beaten the boy on his back and calf'. cont

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I have not spoken about with my brother or former school friends. It is not talked about. We mostly came from Military families and one didn't question much, not like today. Most had strict unapprochable parents I guess. That was the case in my family. However it was discussed at the time amongst boys and I remember the absolutely hated it. Every member of the swim team would have left if they could. There are also boys and spectators from several other schools in the Buckinghamshire area who would have been at these swim meets. The Waverham team would have suits for away swims, but not home meets. So this happened maybe twice a year and went on for years! We had a number of internetional students so there are people all over the world effected.

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