Found on the Web: Reports of Forced Nudity, The Sequel

Found on the Web: Reports of Forced Nudity, The Sequel 1

By Childe Harold

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Found on the Web: Reports of Forced Nudity The Sequel Part 1

Compiled by Childe Harold

(If you have any comments, observations, some especially juicy accounts I may have missed, or just want to discuss the subject, contact the administrator, who will forward you email to me, and I will respond.)

Following the lead of the intrepid Editor N, I have interpolated his work by adding my own accounts, carefully acquired over the years from different message boards. Where possible, I have included the name of forum. I didn't include the urls because those can disappear over night, and a number already have. Topix, with no warning, deleted a 10 year old thread with thousands of entries, and proceeded to delete others that were only tangentially related. None of these have been edited-I've even left intact spelling and grammatical errors-but I have deleted references within them to other posts on a forum. Those might have been confusing.

To qualify for inclusion on a forum dedicated to nudity and humiliation, I've utilized this criteria:

1) The nudity must result from some sort of compulsion--a high school swim class, from days gone by, constitutes government mandated nudity, and is perhaps the best example. Though, admittedly, some of these accounts include situations in which the nudity was not necessarily compelled.

2) For genuine embarrassment, a member of the opposing sex should be an observer, and for true humiliation, that observer should be in a position of authority. And the involuntary erection that usually follows-if the subject is male-- is the icing on the cake.

This first section consists of accounts of male nude swimming with female teachers/lifeguards. These consist of accounts primarily, but not exclusively, from the women themselves. Further installments will comprise accounts by the boys themselves, accounts from female witnesses, and a final installment comprised of what few posts I could find concerning female nudity.

This quote should set the tone for what follows:

All in all, the nude swimming requirement perfectly illustrated the school's attitude towards their students: you will have the same rights and respect as a herd of cattle. Forcing you to take this class (even if you could demonstrate how to swim), forcing you to be naked, the inspection, the careless attitude toward student comfort with the freezing in/out rituals - it all seemed structured to inflict the maximum damage on a student's self-esteem.

The unofficial reasons to do it: it would be intensely humiliating for the boys, puts them in their place and lets the boys know very clearly that girls are more important than boys lets the boys know their place (power): the school can do anything it wants with them. The school "owns" your body. Think about that before misbehaving! cruel and harsh PE teachers would very much enjoy seeing the boys humiliated. (Voy Forums)

1- I have written many times in the forum that I life-guarded on many occasions where boys swam nude. I always wore a suit. I enjoyed it as I would any job that involved swimming. There was nothing sexual or humiliating about it. I learned nothing about male anatomy that I didn't already know. Most were ages 6-11 or there about. I was 15-17 at the time. You want to know where -- northern mid-west (Minnesota). Believe me or not, I don't care.

I also life-guarded girls, but they wore always suits. I had more fun with the boys.

You have to understand that I never touched or abused the boys in any way. It was never a sexual or pedophile thing -- far from it. I will confess however that I thought the boys were cute. Their penises would flop and bounce around as they got in and out of the water. I never found it erotic but I did think they were the cutest things in the world in their innocence.

There was rarely a lesson in which at least one of them didn't rise up erect. The younger ones didn't even know what one was. I might have three or four standing out. The older ones tended to get embarrassed and tried to hide -- as if they could. I pretended that it was no big deal and it wasn't to me. It was all just fun.

Mothers and sisters were often around. Given the acceptability of nude male swimming, why would they be banned? I had brothers who took swimming lessons and, at times, I accompanied my mother to their lessons. To be honest, it was a treat for me. Having brothers, I knew male anatomy first hand. I did however learn two things. First, my brothers were circumcised, and so I learned what that was. Secondly, I learned that boys got erect. If I remember correctly, I first noticed not by comparing one to another, although I did a fair amount of that too, but by watching them rise up as they stood by the side of the pool waiting to jump in. From my perspective as a small girl, the older boys seemed huge!

I also went to high school with these guys and ... well, I monitored their development. Oddly, the guy with the reputation of having the largest penis in my school was actually fairly small when he was 6. (Voy Forums)

2-The boys my daughter and I were teaching ranged from 9 to 14. There was one, "special needs" boy who was older. Fiddling was just that, handling, squeezing, tugging, flicking, pressing up against the belly, and so on. One thing sure, however, once a boy's penis became erect, it was difficult for us to make them keep their hands away from it.

The "special needs" boy would, sometimes, start to actually masturbate. When we saw that, we would try to redirect him by asking him to be a demonstrator of a swimming stroke or skill. That usually would divert him long enough to cease that activity.

The episode with my "special needs" young man was the only time, in a long career, that I had a boy actually actively masturbate in front of the other participants. He participated because his parents dearly wanted him to have as normal a youth as possible. Since his attention span was so short, we usually could divert him by handing him a kick board, or asking him to perform a skill. But, after he passed a certain point, there was little we could do but have him sit with his aides, who were very patient and understanding. If they could divert him, they would, but sometimes he was just too far into it, and there was nothing they could do but sit with him until he was done. Maybe twice out of a 12 week session.

I would share your observations about boys and erections. Just happy, non-sexual excitement would often result in one or more of the boys sticking up. It was a sign of a healthy boy having a good and exciting time.

I would work with special need boys after that, but only in individual sessions, with either parents or others present to help, if necessary

My daughter was in 10th grade when she started to assist me in the lessons. The boys liked her and she would work one on one as I would work with the group. She was a Jr. National qualifier and a State High School Championship finalist. She now operates a mobile swim school in Southern Florida. She comes to her client's homes, most have pools in that area, and has either private or group instruction.

There were no other "spectators" except for the "special" young man who was usually accompanied by two aides. These girls would provide transportation, assist him in undressing for the instruction sessions and dry and dress him after the lessons. He did not use the locker room or shower facilities.

It was good that the aides were there, for if I or my daughter were not able to divert him from disruptive activity, such as masturbation, the aides would have him step out of the pool and sit on folding chairs with them until the activity was concluded or resolved. That was only fair to the other boys in the classes. We also made sure that although the other boys could clearly see what he was doing, they did not make fun of him or put him down. Once his issue was resolved, he would be invited to return to the group, and welcomed back by all. This was a good "bonus" lesson for the boys.

For several years, I continued my classes as before.

Young eager to learn boys have always been my most exciting aquatic experience, until it was finally time to retire.

Most interestingly, from time to time, through my daughter, I still get calls from "my boys", asking if I can teach their boys water safety and swimming. When I can, I do, but I insist that the "old way" still applies. (Voy Forums)

3-I will say that this was pretty widespread and common. I grew up in the Midwest (Illinois) in the 1960s and we belonged to a "Bath and Tennis Club" that had an outdoor pool, along with 2 outdoor tennis courts. All of the kids took swimming lessons at the club. Looking back, I think we were told it was a requirement to be able to swim there. That may have been true, or our parents' way of telling us we had to go without argument. The swimming classes were divided by age, not sex. I don't remember what the specific age groups were, but the older kids were in the deep end, and the younger kids in the shallow end with two instructors per group. I don't recall ever having a boy instructor they were fifteen, sixteen and seventeen year old girls from the neighborhood, along with an older lady who oversaw everything. I had a younger brother (2 years younger) and I was used to seeing him naked at bath time and other random times. I quickly grew accustomed to all of the other boys being naked in and around the pool as well. I dont recall it ever seeming unusual to me, or ever thinking about it when I saw those same boys at school, or around the neighborhood fully dressed. I do, however, remember talking about it with the other girls in whispers specifically two girls (sisters) who had no brothers, and were therefore not used to seeing penises. While it was not unusual, it was surely something to be giggled about.

I think that my first full realization of the unfairness of the situation was when my brother got old enough to start complaining. One summer he was just one of the naked boys running around the pool, occasionally getting stiff, and not caring at all. The next summer he fought, to the point of being spanked and even grounded more than once, against having to go naked to the pool. I remember specifically and intently (although surreptitiously) looking at his penis to see if there was a difference some reason he was now embarrassed where he had not been before. He was bigger, but still hairless and not significantly different as far as I could tell. His erections, when they happened, stood more up than out, and were noticeably longer and thicker, but he was not noticeably different from other boys around his age. After the fights, when he would reluctantly strip and enter the pool area, he would do as he was told, practicing his swimming strokes and kicks, but after lessons he would stay in the water, pressed up against the side of the pool. When he got out of the water, he would immediately cover up with his towel. I could see how much it pained him to be naked, and while I had the standard, ingrained hatred of my little brother, I didn't like to see him so upset.

Of course there was nothing I could do about it, but it was that seeing his obvious, daily hatred of and rebelling against the situation that made me start to realize how unfair this all was for the boys. I don't know that I had ever thought it was fair. It was more that I had never thought about it. It was the way that it was, and as long as it was that way, we girls may as well enjoy ourselves. It was a different time no one would step out of line, or do or say anything inappropriate, so it was all whispers amongst the kids.

I remember my brother finally getting a Speedo-style suit, but don't recall if it was later that summer or the next. Within a year or two of that, it started to become much more common to see smaller boys wearing suits. When I was fifteen I got a job as one of the swim instructors for the little kids, four days a week, and over half of the boys in my class had suits. When I was sixteen I was instructor for the big kids, and all of the boys in that class had suits. (Voy Forums)

4- At the ******** Swim Club, a private club in Maryland, young boys all swam naked. Girls, of all ages always wore swim suits, even if just a bottom, for little girls. I don't recall a published policy, but I think that, regardless of age, after boys began to display obvious signs of puberty, they just started, or were asked to wear swim suits. That went on until the 1970s, when the Board of Trustees required all to were swim suits. That reflected a changing attitude toward any public nudity.

I was only a youth myself, but I can agree that at the club, to me anyway, it seemed that the time for boys to suit up, either on his own or by suggestion, was after he had developed a defined pattern of pubic hair. My brother, for instance, fair haired, light complexion, was almost 15 before his started to appear. This applied to open or recreational swim. Early morning lessons, however were always nude for boys, whether pubescent or not, until the rules were changed.

Sure we enjoyed it. The little boys were just that, little. Up to 10 there was now much difference between soft and hard except that it was sticking up or out. After 11 there would be a significant change in both size and length. But, boys did not just walk around all day with erections. Yes they happened, but there would be days when there were none, it least that I saw. On other days, all it would take was for one boy to come up stiff and there would be three or four following in a row.

There were some boys who would be embarrassed. One I can clearly remember was a kid at the beginning of the summer, he was finishing 7th grade. We had last seen him naked in the fall, and he had not started much development. I saw him dropped off by his parents and waved to him as he went into the locker room. Shortly, he came out, naked, and started over to the pool. He had developed quite a bit over the school year, but no sign of hair. My friends and I got up and walked over to him, both to say hello, and get a better look. My friend gave him a big hug, not at all intended to be sexual, but he immediately began to become erect. It was such a unexpected reaction that we all just stood there and watched it come up full. He was very embarrassed, became totally flustered and turned around and returned to the locker room. It might have been a half hour before he came out again.

Yes, we did talk among ourselves about the boys a lot. (Voy Forums)

5- I am past 60. But when I was in my 20s many years ago I was a swimming instructor for boys at a YMCA. They swam nude, but I always wore a suit. It was not an issue back then, but I have wondered since if those boys, when they grew up, had any memory of those times, and if so how they thought about it.

In part I ask because I have a niece whose kids, including the boys, are the most self-conscious about their own nudity that I can ever recall children being, and certainly male children. I truly cannot understand how things have changed. (Topix)

6-My high school in northern Minnesota was also a party to nude swimming for young men, although it was becoming controversial upon my hire. The issue was the female staff who were becoming a greater proportion of the teaching faculty. I found myself having to cover gym classes for male teachers who were out for the day, or otherwise engaged. At first, I didnt think much about all the naked boys, until one young man changed the equation.

******* was the star on the schools football and basketball teams. Tall, muscular, with movie star good looks, he was honestly a distraction for any red blooded female, let alone a 22 year old female gym teacher fresh out of college! As the boys lined up along the side of the pool for attendance, I concentrated mainly on my clip board until I came to stand in front of *******. Upon my word, that young man posed the largest distraction one could possibly imagine. Compounding the issue, I was a virgin and a little too enthralled with men as physical objects. After recovering from my swoon, I knew that I had to remove myself from the situation permanently, so I met with the vice principal to delicately explain that women had no place in a pool reserved for unclothed men. When he pressed me on my assertion, I stammered a bit, but could not admit that ******** extremely ample endowment had forced me to this conclusion. I argued that the boys seemed uncomfortable with the arrangement, and I shamefully lied about some of the students becoming aroused as I looked on. The next school year, nude swimming ended, and I think I had something to do with that decision, although I cannot be certain.

To be clear, I am definitely not trying to sexualize the institution of nude swimming not at all. However, men are men, women are women, and sometimes things happen which remind us that we need to admit that we cannot always be purely objective when the birds and bees are complicating things.

Thank you so much, ****, for allowing me to tell my story. Wishful thinking is a wonderful way to phrase what I was feeling at the time ( I could not have said it any better), and there really is no place for this kind of behavior in our public high schools. Why put people in this position when it is completely unnecessary?

As to your other questions: No-one ever discussed my interactions with the boys in the pool, although the community was discussing the topic somewhat quietly. As I wrote, the practice was coming under some scrutiny upon my hire. One mother brought the subject up at a school board meeting I attended, for example. Thinking back, the issue was not me being inappropriate with the boys, rather, the issue was the healthiness of the boys parading in front of a sexually mature woman.

And, no ******* had no idea that I was attracted to his nudity. I only filled in that one time, as far as I can recall. He would have been much more distracted by the constant teasing and horseplay of his classmates.

If one of my girlfriends had said to me prior to my supervision of the naked boys, Are you aroused by naked men with enormous penises? I would have laughed at the absurdity of the notion. However, the situation with ******* instigated my surprising reaction and my conclusion that exceptionally well-appointed men were most definitely interesting to me. That was the problem I should never have been faced with this realization under those specific circumstances.

In all fairness, I was not the only woman who was intrigued by *******. I became aware that many girls in the school were very much infatuated with the rumors swirling around ********* prowess. But, once again, I was ashamed for feeling the way I did.

I feel like the offender. Craving this young man for even a split second was a violation of the trust that had been placed in me. To offer more detail, the guilt probably was not instantaneous it likely built up as I heard other females at the school make comments about his manhood. You see, they all speculated, whereas I had seen him with my own eyes. Its strangely funny that he was much more gifted than the rumors which circulated. But I was never, ever going to make any corrections to their breathless descriptions! Talk about opening up a can of worms.

I remember boys swimming nude in the high school and the YMCA very clearly. My older brother ****.

It might have been strange for other girls to coach nude boys on their technique and try to build their skill.

I dont know if the boys thought it was a sexual thing to be nude or not. They really seemed to like it, for sure. I never taught any PE classes so I cant say what those were like. I guess some boys just feel everything is sexual just because they are boys.

I have read here that some boys were really humiliated because they got erections. I do remember that sometimes boys had erections and a few of them seemed real embarrassed but most of them did not. If a boy had an erection when I was talking to him or coaching him I just kept going and ignored it and so did he. It did not seem so strange to me because my family always had a few horses on our property just outside of town. I saw several stallions with big erections every spring and summer and the boys just seemed to be like that.

I sure dont think that when the boys got erections it was because I was there. I think they just happened. Its a natural thing for a boy. **** got hard sometimes and my two sons did plenty of times and I was never embarrassed and I tried to teach them just to accept and love their bodies the way they are.

It was not so strange for girls to go see the boys swimming. We all knew the boys and knew that they always swam nude. The thing that was wrong was that we could not swim nude, although when I have done it I dont really like it so much. I still like to swim, but I really prefer to wear a one-piece. Theyre a lot better made now.

I heard girls talk about what the boys were like and how their bodies were different, and how different their penises were. They were really different and when the boys got their erections they stood up at different angles. I talked about this with only one girlfriend because it just wasnt talked about back then. I really think the nicest things about the boys were their legs and fronts and backs and shoulders and butts, not their penises.

I think that it really helped the boys who were swimmers behave in school because they knew we had seen them naked a lot, and maybe even erect. They were nice and did not have so much attitude as boys have now sometimes. Sometimes I would see a boy swimmer in school and imagine him being nude in the library or cafeteria or some place. It was kind of fun. But then it was the Midwest and a very Lutheran town and everybody made a big deal about being nice. That attitude also made it really hard for me to love another girl, but I did anyway, especially as time went on. (Frank Answers About Swimming Naked)

7-I was the youngest girl with three older brothers. Back then my father was a director of the YMCA so it was no wonder he tapped me to instruct swimming class. The regular instructor was spending the summer away. I got to the pool early so that I could find my way around. The day manager met me and showed me through the locker room into the old pool facility. A young man entered the pool area nude and began skimming the water. He then checked the filter inlets. He was certainly no youngster. He was a fully developed teen whose body was lean and well built. Pubic hair covered his lower abdomen and his genitals were fully developed. He was taller than me and I am 5-7. I caught myself staring. He and another boy from the sixteen and above senior group assisted the instructor with the younger boys. I hadnt expected assistants but I found them helpful. I had them round up the rest of the small boys to begin class. My assistants went straight to it and quit being shy about their nudity. That was fine by me. I enjoyed watching their movements about the pool. Like young lions they were graceful and strong. The contrast between the small boys and the teens was remarkable. Nature is amazing in what so few years can do to the male body. As time went on my assistants became use to my presence and completely at ease with their nudity around me. My assistants were a delight to watch. I looked forward to the classes. Admittedly it was a kick to ask one of the assistants to fetch equipment and watch a naked young man fulfill my request. Kneeling by the pool side to slide a kick board in the water, they forgot their nudity even though my eye sight was level with their manhood. I noticed from time to time that perhaps a penis was stiffer than my recollection of the brief glimpses of my brothers. An older overweight boy joined the beginning swimmers group. He was like a brick. In one exercise I had him lie on his back and hold his breath and practice floating while I held him. Like a slippery fish, he flopped out of my arms. In desperation I had one of my assistants show him what to do. The older teen easily fell back into the water so that I could lift him to float on the surface. With his penis exposed to the air I noticed it rising and pointing to his belly. I didnt make anything of it and neither did he although I think we both enjoyed it. The overweight boy tried again and he was much better at floating. He kept his eyes closed very tight with an intent look on his face then finally asked me to lean my ear to him. He whispered that he thought he figured out how to float but could not make it go up like the older boy. I think I wet myself from laughing. I know I did not help that boys self esteem and I am forever sorry but it was the funniest thing I ever heard. Having two naked young lions as my protes was a memorable experience. (Lost the info on this post)

8-As hard as it is to believe, I am a female who was a P.E. coach during the mid 60's.. and did have several experiences instructing high school boys nude swim classes. I only filled in if the male coach was unavailable. I was very nervous the first time I had to teach the class, and I'm sure the boys were also. At the first roll call, when the boys were lined up (naked) by the pool, I tried to keep my eyes off their penises, and not make them feel uncomfortable with me there. After awhile, the swimming instruction became the center of focus, and not the nudity. The boys always requested me back as a substitute teacher when thier coach was out. Those experiences helped ease my own fears about practicing social nudism in later years. (Google Groups)

9-Somewhere in this forum, someone raises the question of why women who lifeguarded or otherwise supervised boys swimming in the nude haven't commented. The reason is that we usually get savagely attacked when we do. Nevertheless, here is my two cents. Yes, I lifeguarded and taught swimming to boys and young men who swam nude at a local pool. It was common for males to swim nude and I was not the only female involved. No, I didn't also swim in the buff. Yes, I enjoyed it but not in a sexual way. Often mothers and sisters sat around the pool. I suppose that there was a certain amount of googling and teasing. I easily got use to it. I never exploited or abused anyone. It was in the early 60s and in the north midwest. You mention a "power" thing, and here you leave me. I never experienced it as power. Nude males are in a sense more vulnerable than a suited female, but this does not translate into power. More than vulnerable, I was always struck by how exposed they were. There is no way to hide or camouflage a penis on a naked male. It is always center stage on the male anatomy. It wasn't that someone "made" them be naked when they would have preferred to be covered. I wasn't aware of any resistance or rebellion on their part. It was only that if you wanted to go swimming, you took off your clothes. Once the clothes are off; yes, guess where the eyes go. Most of the time, the swimmers I saw were younger than those in these pictures. On occasion, I did get to be around the big boys. It was no big deal, but I can certainly verify that penises come in all sizes and shapes! I believe that naked men are more exposed than nude women. Their intimate parts are more on display than with a woman. By appearing nude, men present themselves fully. They are also vulnerable in the sense that they could always get an erection and reveal their inner sexual arousal. Men tell me that exposing their erections is harder emotional for them (Network 54)

10-I work as a correction officer in a boy's detention center. It is not unusual for us females to strip search the boys, monitor the showers and monitor when the nurse gives physicals. It used to be tradition that male staff took the boys swimming in the pool. The boys and staff were nude. When a couple of male staff called in sick one day, it fell upon the female staff to supervise the boys. We stayed in our clothes, though the boys were nude. The male staff who is the lifeguard was going to keep his underpants on, though the boys teased him unmercifully and he finally stepped out of them. Since then us females bring swimsuits to work as do the male staff as there is no telling if we may get assigned to supervise the boys swimming. The boys themselves still swim in the nude. (Voy forums)

11-The biggest surprise of my life was the day I discovered just what my younger sister's job as a swim instructor at the YMCA involved. When I came home to live with my parents for the summer before I started graduate school, it was my job to pick up my sister everyday from the YMCA and drive her home. I was 23, so it meant my sister was 18 years old at the time. I knew she taught swimming, and that she had had the job for about two years. I never thought anything about it until one day I arrived early, and decided to check the YMCA out. I never really knew what the YMCA was all about, other than that my sister worked there, and that it had rooms to rent. I went up to a reception desk, told a couple of people there that I had come to pick up my sister who was an instructor there. One of the men very kindly walked me down a flight of stairs, and pointed to a door, and told me it would be all right for me to enter the pool area from that door

The door led to an area that was slightly elevated from the pool, and I could see my sister standing in the pool talking to a group of about 20 boys, all of who were standing around her. I remember seeing one kid who appeared to be bare and thought that was weird. Then I noticed that another kid was also naked, and soon I realized that all of the boys in the pool were naked. I could not believe what I was seeing: my little innocent, church-going, sister was surrounded by a bunch of naked kids. I'm not a good judge of ages, but I would guess the boys to have been about 10 or 11 years old. One or two of the boys looked quite a bit taller than the others, but they were probably in the same age range.

What I remember most was that after the class, when my sister and the boys were exiting the room, several of the boys went up to my sister to talk with her, and appeared to not have the slightest inhibition about standing bare in front of a pretty girl in a bathing suit. It was so strange. I had always thought my sister had probably never seen a naked guy. I personally was very modest around the house, and as far as I knew she didn't have any regular boys friends. When we were in the car driving home I expressed surprise that the kids were bare, and she said, "What's the big deal? It's always that way." (Yahoo Groups)

12-Well, if it's any consolation, my older sister and her friend both lifeguarded at YMCAs and a summer camp where the boys and teen guys were nude. One was in Massachusetts and the other, I think, in New Hampshire or Maine. She did not tell me about it at the time and I did not take swim lessons or swim there myself. But she matter-of-factly told me about it when I was home from college because we were talking about summer jobs and jobs while in college and that had been when she had had those jobs. I mean when she was away at school and I was still at home. I was surprised, but not shocked. My sister is pretty cool and laid back and I am sure was telling the truth. No reason to lie in fact. She said the nudity was eye candy and she loved that part of the job, but that the pay was just so-so. She never said anything about it making her horny of course because we seldom spoke about things like that directly. But she certainly implied she really liked it. She also said she had learned a lot from that experience. This would have happened about 1964 or so, maybe later. (Voy Forums)

13-We have a summer house in Maine and the HOA has a swim club on the lake. The younger children can get swim lessons before graduating and swimming in the lake. My daughter was a swim coach there and one day I went to get her to take her to lunch and I walked in and there was a sign no girls allowed. I walked into the pool area and my daughter was in the pool. At this time my daughter was about 17 and she was in the pool with a boy I guess was about 11 or so. she was helping him float on his back and do the back stroke. I looked and could see he was naked. I looked around and saw other coaches mostly male with other groups of boys and they were all nude. Just then my daughter finished and they both climbed the stairs by me to get out of the pool. My daughter introduced the boy to me and he shook my hand and my daughter asked what I was there for. The entire time I was talking this naked boy stood there by my daughter. I realized that in addition to being nude this thille boy had a full blown erection or as much as a 12 year old can have. I could tell my daughter was not embarrassed with this erection right in front of her . The boy excused himself and hugged my daughter and walked off. I asked her what that was all about and she said he was on the swim team and needed extra help with his backstroke and breating technigue. I asked about his erection and she said it happens with some of the older boys as they are mautring. she said this was the 2nd time this particular boy had gotten an erection with her so he must be maturing. she laughed and said it was not a big deal and he didnt have anything she had not seen before as some of the other boys get erections and some are older then him and are fully developed. I spoke to my wife and she said the same thing and that practicing nude is something the boys do. She said the girl coaches usually coach the younger boys and it is rare for them to coach the older boys although they do see them and it is nothing to get upset about. As I grew up this way I was not upset, I just didnt think it was something still being done. This was a number of years ago so it may in fact not be done anymore. (gr8erdays)

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