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Found on the Web: Reports of Forced Nudity
 
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Post 12:   More nude swimming in school, swim teams, etc.
 
Each post below, 12-#, is a separate post unless its link to other posts is stated.
 
Post 12-1: from an old, now-deleted experience project forum
 
My First Swim Meet
 
Posted April 5th, 2012 at 9:07AM by “OG”
 
We had a small swim team at our school and when I was 14 I tried out and made the team. In those days boys on the swim team were nude. While it might seem very strange today back then it was normal and no one thought anything of it. During practice and even for swim meets we were always nude. When you were out of the pool you could put a towel around your waist but most boys stayed nude because it was easier.
 
We had a meet with another school at their school and it would be my first competition. Unfortunately for us we didn't have a pool and all of our practices were held at our local lake so it would be a different experience for me to be in a real pool. We left on the school bus and traveled about an hour to the other school. Once we got there the principal of the school and the swim coach met our bus and took us to the lockers in the gym. Her coach told us to undress and be ready to go in the pool in 10 min. The boys on the team ranged from 13 to about 17.
 
Once we had ******** and put our clothes in the lockers, one of the boys from the other school came in and led us out to the pool. I looked around and there were about 25 or 30 people there to watch the meet. There were women, girls, boys and a few men in the audience. I feel strange standing there naked in front of all those people. The coach had talked to us about how it would be for our first meet and that we might feel strange being nude in front of strangers. He told us to get over it and to concentrate on swimming , not on being nude. The boys from the other school were already gathered around the pool on one side. The coach led us to the other side where there were several benches and told us to sit down. Just then another group of people came into the gym and I recognized some of the kids from our school.
 
There were about 20 students from the school and they had come over on a different bus and I saw three or four girls from some of my classes in the group. Two of them came over and said hi to me and I must've blushed deeply red and tried to cover myself. They wished me well and said that they would be cheering for me. It's a very strange feeling to be completely naked in front of the girls that you go to school with and have known for a long time, especially since they're completely dressed.
 
The meet started and there were several categories where our team competed against the other team. Then it was time for individual performances. When it was my turn I stood on the side of the pool waiting for the starter and when I heard the pop I started into the pool swimming as fast as I could. I was swimming against three other boys in my age group and at the end I came in second. I was not used to the pool and making turns against the side of the pool was very difficult and had cut down on my speed. When I got out of the pool the coach came over and I could tell that he was not happy. He started telling me what I was doing wrong when making the turns and said that maybe this will help you remember, he took my arm and gave me five hard spanks and then told me to go sit on the bench. Totally embarrassed I resume sitting on the bench. I was not the only one that was spanked during the meeting, boys from both our team and the other team earned swats on the coaches.
 
When the meet was over we had won some of the events and the other team had won some. We lined up and marched down the line of the other team shaking hands. With that out of the way the kids from our school came over and congratulated the winners. The four girls from my class came over and they all gave me a hug and told me that they thought I did really well. As we talked I noticed with her eyes were looking, it wasn't at my face. Unfortunately for me knowing that they were looking at my naked penis seem to make it wake up. To make it even worse the coach was standing a few feet away from us and noticed my condition.
 
The coach came over with a towel and handed it to me and told me to put it on. I quickly wrapped around my waist while the girls laughed. We talked for a few more minutes and then the coach told us to go to the locker room that he wanted to talk to us. Once we were inside he told us how he felt about the meet. He had some good things to say and some bad, one of which was the subject of several boys that got erections while in front of the audience. He called out three names, one of which was mine, and told us to step forward. We were all still naked and I was very apprehensive about what he was going to do. He sat down on the bench and took the first boy by the arm pulling him across his lap and gave him about 15 strokes with his hand. It was a very hard spanking and the boy was only 13 and he was crying when the coach finished.
 
He took my arm and I felt myself being pulled over his lap, the rough material of his pants rubbing against my naked skin. He positioned me on his lap and when he was satisfied he gave me 20 hard spanks. He told me that since I was older than the other boy I would get more. It hurt like crazy but I was not going to cry but it was difficult not to. When he had finished he let me up. The last boy was 16 and he got 30 hard ones. When he had finished the coach let him up and the three of us stood there with red bottoms. The coach gave us a lecture about getting used to being nude in front of people because if we wanted to stay on the team we could not go around with erections. He told the other boys to get dressed but told me and the other two boys we had to stay nude.
 
It was very weird on the bus ride going back to our school, sitting there naked with the other boys dressed was totally strange. After a while I sort of got used to it and the rest of the trip back to school was uneventful. When we got there it was about two in the afternoon and school was still in session. The coach led us off the bus and down to the locker room at the gym. I had to walk from the bus down the Hall to the gym naked. Once in the gym he let us get dressed and we went to our last class.
 
After a few meets I got used to being nude and it didn't seem like a big deal to be nude in front of others, mostly strangers. I was on the team throughout high school and the requirement for boys to be nude for swimming class was in place for several years after I graduated.
 
Question from a reader to OG:
 
Interesting story. What year did this happen? What city/state? For team practices at the lake, were spectators allowed? Did the school have a girls swim team?
 
Reply by OGApr 29th, 2012 at 9:58AM
 
this was in the 1950's in Florida. At the lake there were no restrictions on spectators and anyone could watch. There were usually people there during the practices. We did have a girls team but girls wore suits. Not fair, lol. In larger cities at the ymca and other public pools bathing suits were not allowed but since they were all male, it was considered ok. The nude swiming for boys teams was not considered to be wrong, just the way it was.
 
Reply by OG to another question to clarify what seemed to be contradictions in his account:
 
To answer your questions:
 
Yes, boys teams and girls teams often competed at the same meets, the boys nude and girls with suits.
 
No, the teams had different coaches. ours was male the girls was female. We usually didnt practice at the same time because of space limitations. We practiced at a local lake about a mile from school and were taken by bus to the lake and back. It was the same for the girls but at different times.
 
Yes, at meets all boys from both schools were nude. It was the common way it was handled back then. It started to change during the early 60's and boys were required to wear suits. It was a shame, i think, it was fun being nude in public and people didnt think it was bad.
 
Post 12-2; more from experience project:
 
i swam all the time nude at school after that day and swam nude at a inter school swim competition with 300 spectators of both sexes and different ages including six of my own family.
 
I am in England ,year 1972
 
During school swimming lessons it was boys only and at my school we only did swimming in the first year 11/12 years old, some schools did swimming in all years, one school made pupils swim nude and also compete in inter school events nude,
 
Hi Woody, from what i remember the school made all boys compete nude , i think the inter school swim was held at that school ,both sexes young and older were present as spectators , i cannot remember if all five years competed it may have been only the first years and second years ,i know about 300 spactators watched in a seated area to one side of the pool , the competition had eight schools
 
Post 12-3; from voy.com (might be a repeat from an earlier post):
 
I have followed the stuff on the subject of boys swimming nude with girls in swimsuits for a while and now have to try to set the record straight. From the mid 1940's through the mid 1950's I swam nearly every Saturday morning at the Germantown YMCA, which was, and still is, located on Greene Street, just north of Chelten Avenue, in the Germantown section of Philadelphia. The Germantown Y was a grand old brick building, on the west side of Green Street. When you entered, you went into a large common lobby area, that anyone , male, female, boy, girl, old or young could enter. There was a reception desk in the middle of the hall. If you were a member, only a boy or a man at that time - you passed through a swinging gate, passed the desk and went through doors into the main hallway. There were two gyms on the first level. Basket ball was always in one of them, and other stuff, volley ball, relays, even electric train races during the Christmas season, in the other. On the left was a stair way that lead to the basement. The swimming pool was in the basement. The locker room was really nothing more than just an undressing room, because there were no lockers. One simply completely undressed naked, put everything into a wire basket, and handed the basket to an attendant, who gave you a metal tag on an elastic band, with a number matching your basket. Most of us put that around our ankle or wrist. Everyone in that session- we were all boys, say 8 to 15, swam naked. You entered the pool through a shower tunnel, icy cold water from both sides, exiting onto the pool deck. These morning sessions were "youth age group", or category defined- tadpole, minnow, shark, etc. which defined the area of the pool you were qualified to use -shallow, mid level or deep end. There was an adult swim period that followed. Some of the boys would stay to swim with their dads or other men. No one seems to argue with any of that.
 
Here was the thing that seems to cause all the current conflict.
 
Up in the main lobby, to the left of the reception desk was a door, usually closed and locked, but always open on Saturday mornings. It was held open by one of those wheeled, mop bucket wringer, pails. If you went through that door, you went down a narrow stairway to the basement level, and, if you turned to the right, you went into a narrow alcove that ran along one third of the west side of the swimming pool, not much different than the player bench in an ice hockey rink, but possibly about two benches deep, the second bench slightly higher than the first. There was a solid railing that ran the full length of the alcove separating the alcove from the pool deck. There was no swinging gate or door onto the deck itself and there was a "chicken wire" screen that ran from the top of the rail to the ceiling. The fact is: Moms, dads, though not often - men worked, Moms took care of the kids - younger brothers and sisters, or friends of the family, boys or girls ... or anybody could come down, when that lobby door was open, and sit or stand in that area, at the very deck level, and watch the swimming session. I have very clear recollections of same-age girls "hanging" on the chicken wire watching all the totally naked boys swimming. At the end of the session, everybody went up to the lobby, and by the time
 
I was dressed and upstairs, the door would be closed and locked.
 
I was having some success with swimming, and my Mom, urged by some other Moms, who watched us on Saturday mornings, signed me up for advanced lessons with Mrs. Griffith. Mrs. Griffith had an estate just north of Philadelphia, near Ambler. She had a swimming pool in what I would now call an old barn. It may have been 4 lanes, if that. She was highly recognized for stroke mechanics and I understand had trained some top rank swimmers. The thing was, and here is where some people go crazy, but IT WAS IN FACT the case. Although she trained both boys and girls at the same sessions, all boys trained naked, just like at the Y. BUT, the girls all wore a tank suit. There were never more than 8 or 10 of us at a time, but always a mix of both boys and girls. Our moms sat in a lobby area outside the pool, watching through a large glass window, and we boys and girls were in the pool area. There were no lockers or showers or any of that sort of thing. We, the boys, would simply undress naked, and pile our clothes on a bench at the far end of the pool. The girls went, one by one, into the small bathroom, just off of the observation room, and changed into tank suits. Once all of the girls had changed into tank suits and come out onto the deck, Mrs. Griffith would call us all together and brief us on the "drill of the Day". Mrs. Griffith was assisted by her daughter, a college champion swimmer from Montgomery County. They were very good at what they did, and my times improved, and my quality of swimming got pretty good, although never national level.
 
Now the point of all this wandering has nothing to do with swimming, but is a point that seems to be a major interest of those who never experienced these situations. It always seems to come down to the fact that we boys were naked, and the girls were not. That, dear reader, simply was how it was!
 
AND, again for those who have been waiting for this part..Yes, in the intensity of the training, boys did, and I was among the top of the list, from time to time experience erections. Always non-sexual, usually associated with excess energy, success, praise from Mrs. Griffith or her daughter, or simply the general excitement of accomplishment. Did girls see me with a partial, semi, or fully erect penis in other situations? Yes they did! Most often it was when we were practicing back stroke racing turns on mats up on the pool deck. Mrs. Griffith preferred a spin turn, rather than a full tumble. Any swimmer reading this knows what I am talking about. Did I ever really get used to standing naked with a group of peers, boys and girls, with my penis in full erection, pointing almost straight up at the ceiling? Well, maybe somewhat. Remember, my mom was never far away, always watching, usually with other moms, and the brothers, sisters and friends of the boys and girls in my group. Did any of the other boys ever have the same experience and have their penis rise fully or partially erect? Of course. Sometimes, while Mrs. Griffith or her daughter would have us all, boys and girls, standing on the deck, emphasizing an important motion or maneuver all three or four of us boys would be "presenting" at some level of intensity.
 
Did anyone EVER say anything about seeing me, or any of the other boys for that matter, with a partial or fully erect penis? Well, as far as my my Mom, or any of the other moms, NEVER. The only thing I do remember was my younger female cousin, Jennifer, asking me during a drive home from a training session with Mrs. Griffith, "Does it hurt, when it gets all stiff and sticks up like that?" I assured her that it indeed, did not.
 
I would welcome the opportunity to share genuine experiences of this nature with other "old guard", who may have had similar experiences, at the Germantown Y or anywhere at all.
 
Post 12-4 (might be a repeat):
 
Between the ages of 12 and 15 I was put in the position of exercising and swimming nude under the supervision of women with girls present not nude. It was at a YMCA in Texas in 70s. Most of the time my swimming instructors were male. Women staff and mom's would be there. The girls pool was right next to ours but they wore suits. When I was 14 our coach left and the girls coach took over for four months. She exercised us naked including jumping jacks, which I hated but had to do it as all boys.
 
I hated swimming naked in front of a bunch of girls and even other guys. It was ridiculous to me that we could not wear trunks. The girls wore suits. I think this was a perversion on the part of male teachers in the sixties.
 
In our school, it happened in 7th-8th-9th grades, and maybe 10th. I don't recall the cut-off. But, this would be ages 12-15, or 16 as I recall. As a result, you'd see a lot of kids go through puberty, some developing far faster and earlier than others. If anyone had NOT developed by high school, the coach would inform the school counselor and a doctor's appointment was in order. But phys ed class was nude in the pool, and SOME swim competitions were nude in front members of families and spectators, but most all wore speedos there.
 
Post 12-5:
 
There was an almost entirely different perspective of male nudity in our society prior to the 1970s.  Pertaining to this subject, I have a couple of surprising finds. Last night, my brother told me that at a school located in Northern Marin County (close to Sonoma County), California where my brother's school team swam during the state high school championship meets in the early 1960s, the male swimmers were required to swim naked.  He said the general public including females were watching the meet. 
 
I asked him why they didn't wear suits and he told me the building and the pool were really old and his guess was the reason for the nudity was because of an old filtration system but he wasn't 100% sure of that. 
 
The second surprise came when my photographer friend (the one who supplied the images of the article above as well as other images I've posted) told me that he knows someone whose father was possibly involved as a swimmer in the YMCA lessons and "exhibition" written about in the article when his father was 16 years old. 
 
According to my photographer friend, his friend told him that his friend's father used to take his friend to the Y and they would always swim naked.  His father also told him about swim meets and about when he learned to swim at the Y and when his (the father's) parents and his brother and sister came to see him swim.  My photographer friend asked his friend if his father swam naked in the exhibition for the parents and his friend's father had told my photographer friend's friend (his son) they did. 
 
Being of a somewhat suspicious nature, I asked my photographer friend "Did you show him the article and then he told you that story?" My photographer friend replied "No, not at all.  He told me that story some time ago.  It was after him telling me that I did some research and found the article."
 
Post 12-6:
 
To clarify, this school in Marin County was not the school my brother normally attended but rather it was a school where he and his team mates went for a swimming competition. 
 
Since I wrote my last post I called and asked him if all swimmers were naked and he told me that everyone was naked.  He said that it was common for the team of the school to swim naked at meets at their school.  He said he found out that no one was allowed to wear clothing of any type in their pool.  Females did not use the pool because females didn't attend the school.  It was only males. 
 
I asked him if anyone whistled at them or made fun of them while they were naked and he said "No one said anything about our nudity."
 
I would agree with you that this was somewhat unusual. 
 
Post 12-7; experience project; 2 posts – combined – from 1 poster:
 
[Editor_N: Note below the 2 pools side-by-side, with clothed girls practicing at same time as nude boys]
 
As a young boy I took swimming lessons at the YMCA from the time i was 10 and all boys were nude, this was 1963, swam there till i was 15, girls wore suits boys nude
 
We swan nude till 15, Mom did not come to practice just our swim meets, Yes my sis did come to our meets and on occasion brought her gf, Yes the girls saw us nude, and they witnessed the spankings, I was 15 when i got my last spanking 10 whacks with a paddle for being erect at a competion against another school, Coach put me over his knee totally nude Couldn't help it , So many girls watching, Whole team and some teacher's watched with a few girls who lingered, But i did not cry, kept my dignity...I was the only one who got it that day...7 boy's got the paddle, the younger boys got the hand the older one's the paddle
 
Spring valley, new york at ymca, junior high our school did not have a pool, so we practiced there, there were 2 pools side by side, girls did not compete at same time only practice, yes at times girls and female teachers watched our practice
 
Post 12-8; might be a repeat:
 
In 1947, when I was 13 years old I swam frequently in a friend's family pool with his family. He was 14 years old. He had three sisters ranging from 14 to 19 years old and one brother, who was 17 years old. The pool was secluded and very private. The rules were that all boys and male adults swam in the nude and all girls and female adults wore one or teo piece bathing suits. But everybody was allowed to sunbathe in the nude for one hour every day and boys and girls sunbathed together. Boys and girls were also allowed to shower together. This seemed very normal to me
 
Post 13:  More reports
 
Post 13-1; multiple reports – many from the UK:
 
between the ages of 12 and 15 I was put in the position of exercising and swimming nude under the supervision of women with girls present not nude. It was at a YMCA in Texas. Most of the time my swimming instructors were male. Women staff and mom's would be there. The girls pool was right next to ours but they wore suits. When I was 14 our coach left and the girls coach took over for four months. She exercised us naked including jumping jacks, which I hated. Also my mom had me go to a female doctor so I had to go through that with my mom and my sisters there and not say a word. Lastly when I was thirteen I got a lung infection, had a 105 degree temperature for five days, and got put in the hospital for over a month. The last three weeks I had physical therapy because I lost so much weight and that was basically me naked in front of the nurses, exercising.
 
Post 13-2; multiple reports – many from the UK:
 
#1
 
I don't have any direct experience of schools that required their pupils to swim naked as a matter of routine, but my senior school did require this of lower school girls (11-14) who forgot their swimming costumes. If we forgot our regular kit for PE lessons, we used to have to take part in our underpants, but obviously this wasn't suitable for swimming. I was actually one of the first girls in my class to forget my costume, and that day I had no idea what would happen. I approached my gym mistress with some trepidation, but I was so shocked when she simply told me to strip naked and fiel out to the pool with the rest of my class. A classmate was stood behind me and she told a similar tale of woe, with the same result. We undressed next to one another and tried to hang back but it was still obvious to the whole class that while they had their costumes on, we were totally bare.
 
#2
 
We were the same for swimming, as I stated we had to wear normal swimwear for 'official' swimming lessons, gala's, competitions etc. The school swimming lessons when we all went in the pool completely naked were additional, and were held on weekday lunch-hours, Wednesday being mixed boys and girls, and Saturday mornings being mixed and open to everyone, swimwear was optional and most of us went nude!
 
With regard to changing for PE, we had to use the classrooms for things like sportsday, (because of the numbers involved) but for normal PE and country dancing lessons we had a changing room, and of course at our school boys and girls did these lessons together, all of us had to strip-off, we were only allowed to wear a pair of shorts with no underwear, shoes or tops, and the no-tops rule applied to the girls as well! I didn't like PE or country dancing as I wasn't any good at them, but at the end of the lessons Miss Newman (who took us for PE) always told us all to take our shorts off and go in the showers with nothing-on.
 
#3
 
In a very similar vein I will repost what I posted earlier under another page. I was at Shears Green Primary School in Kent (southern UK) from 1979. Our school was a normal local primary school with just over 400 children from 7 to 11½ years old. PE and country dancing lessons were always mixed but we were only allowed to wear one item of clothing, thin cotton shorts for the boys and knickers for the girls, we ALL had to do the lessons barefoot and topless (even the girls!) although girls who had started to 'develop' could request permission to wear a t-shirt. However the school was MOST famous (infamous?) for it's nude swimming lessons in the schools indoor pool, this went on from the late 1960's to the mid 1980's and was girls nude swimming on mondays, boys on fridays and MIXED on wednesdays, I seem to remember there was mixed nude swimming on saturday mornings as well. Look up Shears Green Primary on facebook, there are many memories from former pupils about it!
 
#4:
 
My previous comments about boys and girls at my school doing swimming lessons together completely nude and doing PE 'topless' related to Primary school, ie we were all under 12, and while swimming nude was optional, topless PE was mandatory for everyone!
 
 
 
#5:
 
I went to Shears Green Junior School in Kent, from the 1960's until the late 1980's boys and girls did PE and country dancing together, before the lesson we had to take ALL our clothes off and were only allowed to put on one item of clothing, cotton shorts for boys and PE knickers for the girls, everyone (even the girls) did PE topless and without shoes or underwear. Girls in year 6 were allowed to wear t-shirts or vests if they wanted to, but ONLY if they had started to develop noticible boobs! After PE and dance lessons we had to take our PE kit off and go in the showers naked, we also had nude swimming lessons in the school pool, this was for everyone, right up to 11 years old, girls only on Monday, Boys only on Friday and mixed nude swimming lessons (for which we needed our parents written permission) on Wednesday and Saturday morning, which were always very popular!
 
Post 13-3:
 
Just my 2 cents worth: I've posted this before but it's been quite some time. When I was about 10 and my little brother 6, we and the neighborhood kids had swim class at the local community center. The involved moms would rotate which one took us each week. The class was boys and girls. No, the boys didn't swim nude but might as well have, lol. At the end of class we would go to our respective dressing rooms, the girls' located way down the hall and around the corner. I actually never knew exactly where it was. The boys' was located in the hall leading to the pool in the highest traffic area. The room was apparently designed for zero privacy, the showers being located directly across from the door and the door opening back against the wall for a full view inside from the hall, as opposed to swinging the other way as to block the line of sight. The moms would come right on in and help the smaller boys get out of their suits, etc. There would be numerous people, including girls, waiting just outside in the hall. Well, the door stayed open more than closed with all the coming and going, plus the fact that it had one of those heavy, slow-moving closers on it. I remember hating that closer, lol. In the end, this meant that all the boys including myself were seen naked by girls every week. I can recall looking directly at various girls my age, some younger, even. There was even one or two I went to school with which made it really embarrassing. It was an anatomy lesson for girls, no doubt. I can also recall seeing boys walk over and use the urinal naked with moms in the room. That (peeing) was the only thing that couldn't be observed from out in the hall due to a wall beside the urinal. I did, however get smart after a few weeks and "fake it", staying in my swimsuit for the ride home. Either the moms I was riding with didn't notice or didn't care that I was getting in their car in my wet suit and I sure didn't ask! But, being seen naked by girls around my age was about the worst thing that could happen to me at the time. And I think when they were younger it was even worse yet for some reason. I was trying to be the "big man" in their eyes, I suppose and then having to completely undress and shower within view of them was sooooo bad. Can anyone here relate to my experience?
 
And a reply/comment on the above:
 
Your experience is almost identical to mine. I learned to swim at the YMCA starting at about 6 years of age, and continued into a competitive swimming program there until about 13. There were bleachers in a balcony above the pool where moms and siblings would watch our practices, and yes, siblings most definitely included sisters. You stated that the girls stood outside the door of your locker room. In my YMCA, they came right inside the locker room after our practices. The attitude was that the girls had already seen everything we had to show while we were swimming, so what were they going to see in the locker room that they had not already seen? The girls stood right at the open entrance to the showers and watched us shower, and we were not allowed to cover our fronts when we left the showers, as it was not appropriate for us to be "touching ourselves" in front of girls. This was especially embarassing if, as often happened in the showers, we got erections, which we were not allowed to hide as we left the showers. That really drew the girls' attention. I know exactly what you are talking about.
 
Yes, right up until the time I was no longer involved with the YMCA. I was always a strong swimmer, and when I got into middle school, or what we called junior high school in the day, I started swimming on the school swim team instead of at the YMCA. We also practiced in the nude there, but always wore suits for competitions. We practiced at one time and the girls practiced at another time since we boys practiced in the nude.
 
The situation I am describing was the norm right up until I was no longer involved in the YMCA program. That finished about the time we turned 13. We had a female instructor, a P.E. graduate of the local university, and the prevailing attitude was that boy nudity was a non-event. We had a variety of attitudes to being seen. You know that there are always some exhibitionist types who like showing off. The girls however seemed to reserve their teasing, however, for the boys like me who were more shy and were more uncomfortable being seen by neighbor, school, and sibling girls who were both our age and younger. I agree with Tom that being seen by younger girls was absolutely the worst. Here we wanted to be seen as strong and macho, and that is rather hard after these girls, who, of course, we had never seen naked, had seen everything we had. I mean everything.
 
Post 13-4:
 
I knew a woman who told me that in her 20's she was a regular instructor for young boys and also sometimes acted as lifeguard at older teenage male swims.
 
She said the nudity rule for the males always applied, irrespective of whether there were females like her present, but not as spectators for the older ages.
 
She also said that it was common for mothers and sisters to be present during the young boys swim classes held in the nude. This was for boys up to about 12 or so. But like you said these female relatives were usually a handful and never in large numbers, and always family members of the boys.
 
It was the same during swim meets, where it was usually just family female members of the boys competing present, both women and girls, that is mothers and sisters. Although it was not uncommon for some women and girls to take a friend with them to watch.
 
She said that at these meets there were also sometimes the young teens swim teams competing, also nude.
 
She told me that this was normal back then and no one saw it as something extraordinary.
 
About the embarrassment she told me that there were always a few of the older boys in her class who were embarrassed by the presence of the females watching on the bleachers, especially girls their age, but soon got used to it.
 
But most of the boys didn't mind and some even showed off in front of the girls and women. When this happened she scolded them and told them to behave.
 
Older boys on the swim teams were so used to it that they didn't even give it a second thought, no matter who was watching.
 
Post 13-5:
 
The events I am describing happened in the southeastern U.S. in the mid 1960s. There were 12 of us in the competitive swim program at the YMCA. I can remember it after all these years because the YMCA pool had 12 lanes, and at our practices one of us was in each lane. To my best recollection, by the time I finished at the YMCA and joined the junior high school swim team, none of us had reached puberty. Of course, the girls enjoyed watching our swim classes and the after swim shower even more, as they were much closer to us. We always got giggling comments about what cute fannies we had, since we tried to face away from the girls in the shower, and if any of us were erect when we left the shower and went for our towels, the girls would say it looks like you enjoy having us here. You can just imagine the comments that were made. Also, this was a very spanking age, especially for boys, and if any of us had been spanked and had a red fanny, of course there was no way to hide it, and we would hear cute comments about the bad boy with the red fanny. I know somebody who got a spanking!
 
At the junior high, no, the girls did not watch our practices. That was the whole point of having separate practice times. Also, the girls practiced first, so even if we entered the pool area before they were finished, it was an absolute requirement that we be wrapped in a towel, and that towel did not come off until the girls had left the pool area. I am sure the girls got a glimpse of a bare fanny every now and then, or more than that if they peeked, but there was no comparison to the YMCA in the opportunity of the girls to see naked boys.
 
Yes, we had the advantage of having had this happen since we were younger, and also had the advantage of having 12 boys going through it at one time. We never had to experience it alone. As I said, a few of the boys really enjoyed being nude in front of the girls, the rest of us just tolerated it because we did not know of anything different. The concept of nude swimming for boys was well entrenched at the YMCA in those years.
 
Post 13-6; multiple short posts – not related:
 
#1:
 
I lived in upstate NY, went to HS in the early 80's, we always swam nude in swim class. I don't think it was that big of a deal, supposedly make you swim faster. We did in fact have a female swim instructor one semester, still no big deal. I wasn't on the swim team- so I can't speak to that. But, I played on the ice hockey team, the locker rooms at that time were co-ed. I can say, quite often the girl figure skaters would walk through while we were showering, cause there was only one locker room, bathroom, shower area etc. But, I don't remember it ever being a problem, the girls would sometimes even stand there while we were showering and talk to us. In retrospect, things have gotten very conservative and uptight over the years.
 
#2:
 
I myself swam nude at the YMCA and school as a boy from age 5 to 17 (high school team). I regularly competed nude in front of female relatives, school parents, school friends, and swimmers. We all did this, so we were nude as a team. If I was shy or embarrassed about my body, I simply got over it by the time I was 6 or 7.
 
#3:
 
1977
 
Oscoda High School in Oscoda, Michigan
 
Additionally, I later heard that the Oscoda High School pool was equipped with an underwater, glassed viewing room in the diving end of the pool. I thought this could, in no way, be true. I am assured, by certain females, that this IS true. Son of a Bitch!
 
Post 13-7:
 
Subject: Coed Swimming Classes in the 1950's
 
Adrienne has posted several times about a two-year window of time back in the 1950's where a high school had coed swimming classes where the boys swam nude and the girls wore one piece swim suits. I find this curiously interesting.
 
A reply to a DIFFERENT post by Adrienne:
 
In Response To: Coed Swimming Classes in '50's
 
I researched the references that Adrienne quoted regarding the situation in and could find no mention of it or any reference to boys swimming naked at the YMCA in the presence of female instructors. I asked for specific pages and she never responded. However, as I have posted before, having taken swim lessons at the YMCA I can confirm that I and the other boys were naked and we did have female instructors.
 
There was also a viewing area and I remember women and girls viewing the boys. We boys chatted about it because we were all 12-14 years old and were embarrassed by the presence of women and girls. I also remember that women sometimes came into the pool area while boys were swimming naked, but they merely passed through. They were always wearing swim suits and could have been associated with the YMCA.
 
Post 13-8: swimming nude was patriotic in WWII
 
A few months after the U.S. entered WW II, the L-85 Regulation was implemented. This mandated the minimum use of cloth for clothing since it was needed for munitions. It also stopped the sale of home sewing machines. During that time it became patriotic for men and boys to swim nude. A review of camp archives shows that nude swimming became virtually universal during WW II. However, the hygiene and convenience was recognized and nude swimming at camps continued into the 1960s, beginning to fade in the mid-1950s.
 
Post 13-9:
 
Nude swimming also left room for hijinks. Tilmon Brown attended school in Mobile, AL during the late 1960s and he has positive memories of swimming in the buff. “I can remember one day the girls’ P.E. teacher was out sick and they had a substitute that didn’t know the routine. We boys got naked, rinsed off and skipped roll,” he said in an email to dose.
 
“We jumped in only to find the girls were already in the pool swimming. You can imagine the mayhem that ensued.”
 
Post 13-11:
 
My best friend and I swam naked at the YMCA and were on the swim team. I was 14 at the time and remember the first swim meet with moms, sisters and girls in the audience that we knew from school. When we walked out naked some of the girls smiled and others put their hands over their mouths but all watched us carefully. We even saw some women teachers we knew whose sons were on the younger boys swim team. At the end of the meet my mom, sisters, and girls from school came to congratulate us and get a closer look. We loved all the attention. There were 2 more meets and more girls we knew showed up each time. We didn't mind but enjoyed the attention. When school started several of the girls told us how much they enjoyed seeing us at the smim meets. We told them we enjoyed seem them come. That was 45 years ago but I'm glad we had the experience. At our 40th highschool reunion some of the girls said that seeing us at the swim meets was the high light of their high school years.
 
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