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Post 12:
More nude swimming in school, swim teams, etc.
Each post below, 12-#, is a separate post
unless its link to other posts is stated.
Post 12-1: from an old, now-deleted
experience project forum
My First Swim Meet
Posted April 5th, 2012 at 9:07AM by “OG”
We had a small swim team at our school and
when I was 14 I tried out and made the team. In those days boys on the swim
team were nude. While it might seem very strange today back then it was normal
and no one thought anything of it. During practice and even for swim meets we
were always nude. When you were out of the pool you could put a towel around
your waist but most boys stayed nude because it was easier.
We had a meet with another school at their
school and it would be my first competition. Unfortunately for us we didn't
have a pool and all of our practices were held at our local lake so it would be
a different experience for me to be in a real pool. We left on the school bus
and traveled about an hour to the other school. Once we got there the principal
of the school and the swim coach met our bus and took us to the lockers in the
gym. Her coach told us to undress and be ready to go in the pool in 10 min. The
boys on the team ranged from 13 to about 17.
Once we had ******** and put our clothes
in the lockers, one of the boys from the other school came in and led us out to
the pool. I looked around and there were about 25 or 30 people there to watch
the meet. There were women, girls, boys and a few men in the audience. I feel
strange standing there naked in front of all those people. The coach had talked
to us about how it would be for our first meet and that we might feel strange
being nude in front of strangers. He told us to get over it and to concentrate
on swimming , not on being nude. The boys from the other school were already
gathered around the pool on one side. The coach led us to the other side where
there were several benches and told us to sit down. Just then another group of
people came into the gym and I recognized some of the kids from our school.
There were about 20 students from the
school and they had come over on a different bus and I saw three or four girls
from some of my classes in the group. Two of them came over and said hi to me
and I must've blushed deeply red and tried to cover myself. They wished me well
and said that they would be cheering for me. It's a very strange feeling to be
completely naked in front of the girls that you go to school with and have
known for a long time, especially since they're completely dressed.
The meet started and there were several
categories where our team competed against the other team. Then it was time for
individual performances. When it was my turn I stood on the side of the pool
waiting for the starter and when I heard the pop I started into the pool
swimming as fast as I could. I was swimming against three other boys in my age
group and at the end I came in second. I was not used to the pool and making
turns against the side of the pool was very difficult and had cut down on my
speed. When I got out of the pool the coach came over and I could tell that he
was not happy. He started telling me what I was doing wrong when making the
turns and said that maybe this will help you remember, he took my arm and gave
me five hard spanks and then told me to go sit on the bench. Totally
embarrassed I resume sitting on the bench. I was not the only one that was
spanked during the meeting, boys from both our team and the other team earned
swats on the coaches.
When the meet was over we had won some of
the events and the other team had won some. We lined up and marched down the
line of the other team shaking hands. With that out of the way the kids from
our school came over and congratulated the winners. The four girls from my
class came over and they all gave me a hug and told me that they thought I did
really well. As we talked I noticed with her eyes were looking, it wasn't at my
face. Unfortunately for me knowing that they were looking at my naked penis
seem to make it wake up. To make it even worse the coach was standing a few
feet away from us and noticed my condition.
The coach came over with a towel and
handed it to me and told me to put it on. I quickly wrapped around my waist
while the girls laughed. We talked for a few more minutes and then the coach
told us to go to the locker room that he wanted to talk to us. Once we were
inside he told us how he felt about the meet. He had some good things to say
and some bad, one of which was the subject of several boys that got erections
while in front of the audience. He called out three names, one of which was
mine, and told us to step forward. We were all still naked and I was very
apprehensive about what he was going to do. He sat down on the bench and took
the first boy by the arm pulling him across his lap and gave him about 15
strokes with his hand. It was a very hard spanking and the boy was only 13 and
he was crying when the coach finished.
He took my arm and I felt myself being
pulled over his lap, the rough material of his pants rubbing against my naked
skin. He positioned me on his lap and when he was satisfied he gave me 20 hard
spanks. He told me that since I was older than the other boy I would get more.
It hurt like crazy but I was not going to cry but it was difficult not to. When
he had finished he let me up. The last boy was 16 and he got 30 hard ones. When
he had finished the coach let him up and the three of us stood there with red
bottoms. The coach gave us a lecture about getting used to being nude in front
of people because if we wanted to stay on the team we could not go around with
erections. He told the other boys to get dressed but told me and the other two
boys we had to stay nude.
It was very weird on the bus ride going
back to our school, sitting there naked with the other boys dressed was totally
strange. After a while I sort of got used to it and the rest of the trip back
to school was uneventful. When we got there it was about two in the afternoon
and school was still in session. The coach led us off the bus and down to the locker
room at the gym. I had to walk from the bus down the Hall to the gym naked.
Once in the gym he let us get dressed and we went to our last class.
After a few meets I got used to being nude
and it didn't seem like a big deal to be nude in front of others, mostly
strangers. I was on the team throughout high school and the requirement for
boys to be nude for swimming class was in place for several years after I
graduated.
Question from a reader to OG:
Interesting story. What year did this
happen? What city/state? For team practices at the lake, were spectators
allowed? Did the school have a girls swim team?
Reply by OGApr 29th, 2012 at 9:58AM
this was in the 1950's in Florida. At the
lake there were no restrictions on spectators and anyone could watch. There
were usually people there during the practices. We did have a girls team but
girls wore suits. Not fair, lol. In larger cities at the ymca and other public
pools bathing suits were not allowed but since they were all male, it was
considered ok. The nude swiming for boys teams was not considered to be wrong,
just the way it was.
Reply by OG to another question to clarify
what seemed to be contradictions in his account:
To answer your questions:
Yes, boys teams and girls teams often
competed at the same meets, the boys nude and girls with suits.
No, the teams had different coaches. ours
was male the girls was female. We usually didnt practice at the same time
because of space limitations. We practiced at a local lake about a mile from
school and were taken by bus to the lake and back. It was the same for the
girls but at different times.
Yes, at meets all boys from both schools
were nude. It was the common way it was handled back then. It started to change
during the early 60's and boys were required to wear suits. It was a shame, i
think, it was fun being nude in public and people didnt think it was bad.
Post 12-2; more from experience project:
i swam all the time nude at school after
that day and swam nude at a inter school swim competition with 300 spectators
of both sexes and different ages including six of my own family.
I am in England ,year 1972
During school swimming lessons it was boys
only and at my school we only did swimming in the first year 11/12 years old,
some schools did swimming in all years, one school made pupils swim nude and
also compete in inter school events nude,
Hi Woody, from what i remember the school
made all boys compete nude , i think the inter school swim was held at that
school ,both sexes young and older were present as spectators , i cannot
remember if all five years competed it may have been only the first years and
second years ,i know about 300 spactators watched in a seated area to one side
of the pool , the competition had eight schools
Post 12-3; from voy.com (might be a repeat
from an earlier post):
I have followed the stuff on the subject
of boys swimming nude with girls in swimsuits for a while and now have to try
to set the record straight. From the mid 1940's through the mid 1950's I swam
nearly every Saturday morning at the Germantown YMCA, which was, and still is,
located on Greene Street, just north of Chelten Avenue, in the Germantown
section of Philadelphia. The Germantown Y was a grand old brick building, on
the west side of Green Street. When you entered, you went into a large common
lobby area, that anyone , male, female, boy, girl, old or young could enter.
There was a reception desk in the middle of the hall. If you were a member,
only a boy or a man at that time - you passed through a swinging gate, passed
the desk and went through doors into the main hallway. There were two gyms on
the first level. Basket ball was always in one of them, and other stuff, volley
ball, relays, even electric train races during the Christmas season, in the
other. On the left was a stair way that lead to the basement. The swimming pool
was in the basement. The locker room was really nothing more than just an
undressing room, because there were no lockers. One simply completely undressed
naked, put everything into a wire basket, and handed the basket to an
attendant, who gave you a metal tag on an elastic band, with a number matching
your basket. Most of us put that around our ankle or wrist. Everyone in that
session- we were all boys, say 8 to 15, swam naked. You entered the pool
through a shower tunnel, icy cold water from both sides, exiting onto the pool
deck. These morning sessions were "youth age group", or category
defined- tadpole, minnow, shark, etc. which defined the area of the pool you
were qualified to use -shallow, mid level or deep end. There was an adult swim
period that followed. Some of the boys would stay to swim with their dads or
other men. No one seems to argue with any of that.
Here was the thing that seems to cause all
the current conflict.
Up in the main lobby, to the left of the
reception desk was a door, usually closed and locked, but always open on
Saturday mornings. It was held open by one of those wheeled, mop bucket
wringer, pails. If you went through that door, you went down a narrow stairway
to the basement level, and, if you turned to the right, you went into a narrow
alcove that ran along one third of the west side of the swimming pool, not much
different than the player bench in an ice hockey rink, but possibly about two
benches deep, the second bench slightly higher than the first. There was a
solid railing that ran the full length of the alcove separating the alcove from
the pool deck. There was no swinging gate or door onto the deck itself and
there was a "chicken wire" screen that ran from the top of the rail
to the ceiling. The fact is: Moms, dads, though not often - men worked, Moms
took care of the kids - younger brothers and sisters, or friends of the family,
boys or girls ... or anybody could come down, when that lobby door was open,
and sit or stand in that area, at the very deck level, and watch the swimming
session. I have very clear recollections of same-age girls "hanging"
on the chicken wire watching all the totally naked boys swimming. At the end of
the session, everybody went up to the lobby, and by the time
I was dressed and upstairs, the door would
be closed and locked.
I was having some success with swimming,
and my Mom, urged by some other Moms, who watched us on Saturday mornings,
signed me up for advanced lessons with Mrs. Griffith. Mrs. Griffith had an
estate just north of Philadelphia, near Ambler. She had a swimming pool in what
I would now call an old barn. It may have been 4 lanes, if that. She was highly
recognized for stroke mechanics and I understand had trained some top rank
swimmers. The thing was, and here is where some people go crazy, but IT WAS IN
FACT the case. Although she trained both boys and girls at the same sessions,
all boys trained naked, just like at the Y. BUT, the girls all wore a tank
suit. There were never more than 8 or 10 of us at a time, but always a mix of
both boys and girls. Our moms sat in a lobby area outside the pool, watching
through a large glass window, and we boys and girls were in the pool area.
There were no lockers or showers or any of that sort of thing. We, the boys,
would simply undress naked, and pile our clothes on a bench at the far end of
the pool. The girls went, one by one, into the small bathroom, just off of the
observation room, and changed into tank suits. Once all of the girls had
changed into tank suits and come out onto the deck, Mrs. Griffith would call us
all together and brief us on the "drill of the Day". Mrs. Griffith
was assisted by her daughter, a college champion swimmer from Montgomery
County. They were very good at what they did, and my times improved, and my
quality of swimming got pretty good, although never national level.
Now the point of all this wandering has
nothing to do with swimming, but is a point that seems to be a major interest
of those who never experienced these situations. It always seems to come down
to the fact that we boys were naked, and the girls were not. That, dear reader,
simply was how it was!
AND, again for those who have been waiting
for this part..Yes, in the intensity of the training, boys did, and I was among
the top of the list, from time to time experience erections. Always non-sexual,
usually associated with excess energy, success, praise from Mrs. Griffith or
her daughter, or simply the general excitement of accomplishment. Did girls see
me with a partial, semi, or fully erect penis in other situations? Yes they
did! Most often it was when we were practicing back stroke racing turns on mats
up on the pool deck. Mrs. Griffith preferred a spin turn, rather than a full
tumble. Any swimmer reading this knows what I am talking about. Did I ever
really get used to standing naked with a group of peers, boys and girls, with
my penis in full erection, pointing almost straight up at the ceiling? Well,
maybe somewhat. Remember, my mom was never far away, always watching, usually
with other moms, and the brothers, sisters and friends of the boys and girls in
my group. Did any of the other boys ever have the same experience and have
their penis rise fully or partially erect? Of course. Sometimes, while Mrs.
Griffith or her daughter would have us all, boys and girls, standing on the
deck, emphasizing an important motion or maneuver all three or four of us boys
would be "presenting" at some level of intensity.
Did anyone EVER say anything about seeing
me, or any of the other boys for that matter, with a partial or fully erect
penis? Well, as far as my my Mom, or any of the other moms, NEVER. The only
thing I do remember was my younger female cousin, Jennifer, asking me during a
drive home from a training session with Mrs. Griffith, "Does it hurt, when
it gets all stiff and sticks up like that?" I assured her that it indeed,
did not.
I would welcome the opportunity to share
genuine experiences of this nature with other "old guard", who may
have had similar experiences, at the Germantown Y or anywhere at all.
Post 12-4 (might be a repeat):
Between the ages of 12 and 15 I was put in
the position of exercising and swimming nude under the supervision of women
with girls present not nude. It was at a YMCA in Texas in 70s. Most of the time
my swimming instructors were male. Women staff and mom's would be there. The
girls pool was right next to ours but they wore suits. When I was 14 our coach
left and the girls coach took over for four months. She exercised us naked
including jumping jacks, which I hated but had to do it as all boys.
I hated swimming naked in front of a bunch
of girls and even other guys. It was ridiculous to me that we could not wear
trunks. The girls wore suits. I think this was a perversion on the part of male
teachers in the sixties.
In our school, it happened in 7th-8th-9th
grades, and maybe 10th. I don't recall the cut-off. But, this would be ages
12-15, or 16 as I recall. As a result, you'd see a lot of kids go through
puberty, some developing far faster and earlier than others. If anyone had NOT
developed by high school, the coach would inform the school counselor and a
doctor's appointment was in order. But phys ed class was nude in the pool, and
SOME swim competitions were nude in front members of families and spectators,
but most all wore speedos there.
Post 12-5:
There was an almost entirely different
perspective of male nudity in our society prior to the 1970s. Pertaining to this subject, I have a couple
of surprising finds. Last night, my brother told me that at a school located in
Northern Marin County (close to Sonoma County), California where my brother's
school team swam during the state high school championship meets in the early
1960s, the male swimmers were required to swim naked. He said the general public including females
were watching the meet.
I asked him why they didn't wear suits and
he told me the building and the pool were really old and his guess was the
reason for the nudity was because of an old filtration system but he wasn't
100% sure of that.
The second surprise came when my
photographer friend (the one who supplied the images of the article above as
well as other images I've posted) told me that he knows someone whose father
was possibly involved as a swimmer in the YMCA lessons and
"exhibition" written about in the article when his father was 16
years old.
According to my photographer friend, his
friend told him that his friend's father used to take his friend to the Y and
they would always swim naked. His father
also told him about swim meets and about when he learned to swim at the Y and when
his (the father's) parents and his brother and sister came to see him
swim. My photographer friend asked his
friend if his father swam naked in the exhibition for the parents and his
friend's father had told my photographer friend's friend (his son) they
did.
Being of a somewhat suspicious nature, I
asked my photographer friend "Did you show him the article and then he
told you that story?" My photographer friend replied "No, not at
all. He told me that story some time
ago. It was after him telling me that I
did some research and found the article."
Post 12-6:
To clarify, this school in Marin County
was not the school my brother normally attended but rather it was a school
where he and his team mates went for a swimming competition.
Since I wrote my last post I called and
asked him if all swimmers were naked and he told me that everyone was
naked. He said that it was common for
the team of the school to swim naked at meets at their school. He said he found out that no one was allowed
to wear clothing of any type in their pool.
Females did not use the pool because females didn't attend the
school. It was only males.
I asked him if anyone whistled at them or
made fun of them while they were naked and he said "No one said anything
about our nudity."
I would agree with you that this was
somewhat unusual.
Post 12-7; experience project; 2 posts –
combined – from 1 poster:
[Editor_N: Note below the 2 pools
side-by-side, with clothed girls practicing at same time as nude boys]
As a young boy I took swimming lessons at
the YMCA from the time i was 10 and all boys were nude, this was 1963, swam
there till i was 15, girls wore suits boys nude
We swan nude till 15, Mom did not come to
practice just our swim meets, Yes my sis did come to our meets and on occasion
brought her gf, Yes the girls saw us nude, and they witnessed the spankings, I
was 15 when i got my last spanking 10 whacks with a paddle for being erect at a
competion against another school, Coach put me over his knee totally nude
Couldn't help it , So many girls watching, Whole team and some teacher's
watched with a few girls who lingered, But i did not cry, kept my dignity...I
was the only one who got it that day...7 boy's got the paddle, the younger boys
got the hand the older one's the paddle
Spring valley, new york at ymca, junior
high our school did not have a pool, so we practiced there, there were 2 pools
side by side, girls did not compete at same time only practice, yes at times
girls and female teachers watched our practice
Post 12-8; might be a repeat:
In 1947, when I was 13 years old I swam
frequently in a friend's family pool with his family. He was 14 years old. He
had three sisters ranging from 14 to 19 years old and one brother, who was 17
years old. The pool was secluded and very private. The rules were that all boys
and male adults swam in the nude and all girls and female adults wore one or
teo piece bathing suits. But everybody was allowed to sunbathe in the nude for
one hour every day and boys and girls sunbathed together. Boys and girls were
also allowed to shower together. This seemed very normal to me
Post 13:
More reports
Post 13-1; multiple reports – many from
the UK:
between the ages of 12 and 15 I was put in
the position of exercising and swimming nude under the supervision of women
with girls present not nude. It was at a YMCA in Texas. Most of the time my
swimming instructors were male. Women staff and mom's would be there. The girls
pool was right next to ours but they wore suits. When I was 14 our coach left
and the girls coach took over for four months. She exercised us naked including
jumping jacks, which I hated. Also my mom had me go to a female doctor so I had
to go through that with my mom and my sisters there and not say a word. Lastly
when I was thirteen I got a lung infection, had a 105 degree temperature for
five days, and got put in the hospital for over a month. The last three weeks I
had physical therapy because I lost so much weight and that was basically me
naked in front of the nurses, exercising.
Post 13-2; multiple reports – many from
the UK:
#1
I don't have any direct experience of
schools that required their pupils to swim naked as a matter of routine, but my
senior school did require this of lower school girls (11-14) who forgot their
swimming costumes. If we forgot our regular kit for PE lessons, we used to have
to take part in our underpants, but obviously this wasn't suitable for
swimming. I was actually one of the first girls in my class to forget my
costume, and that day I had no idea what would happen. I approached my gym
mistress with some trepidation, but I was so shocked when she simply told me to
strip naked and fiel out to the pool with the rest of my class. A classmate was
stood behind me and she told a similar tale of woe, with the same result. We
undressed next to one another and tried to hang back but it was still obvious
to the whole class that while they had their costumes on, we were totally bare.
#2
We were the same for swimming, as I stated
we had to wear normal swimwear for 'official' swimming lessons, gala's,
competitions etc. The school swimming lessons when we all went in the pool
completely naked were additional, and were held on weekday lunch-hours,
Wednesday being mixed boys and girls, and Saturday mornings being mixed and
open to everyone, swimwear was optional and most of us went nude!
With regard to changing for PE, we had to
use the classrooms for things like sportsday, (because of the numbers involved)
but for normal PE and country dancing lessons we had a changing room, and of
course at our school boys and girls did these lessons together, all of us had
to strip-off, we were only allowed to wear a pair of shorts with no underwear,
shoes or tops, and the no-tops rule applied to the girls as well! I didn't like
PE or country dancing as I wasn't any good at them, but at the end of the
lessons Miss Newman (who took us for PE) always told us all to take our shorts
off and go in the showers with nothing-on.
#3
In a very similar vein I will repost what
I posted earlier under another page. I was at Shears Green Primary School in
Kent (southern UK) from 1979. Our school was a normal local primary school with
just over 400 children from 7 to 11½ years old. PE and country dancing lessons
were always mixed but we were only allowed to wear one item of clothing, thin
cotton shorts for the boys and knickers for the girls, we ALL had to do the
lessons barefoot and topless (even the girls!) although girls who had started
to 'develop' could request permission to wear a t-shirt. However the school was
MOST famous (infamous?) for it's nude swimming lessons in the schools indoor
pool, this went on from the late 1960's to the mid 1980's and was girls nude
swimming on mondays, boys on fridays and MIXED on wednesdays, I seem to
remember there was mixed nude swimming on saturday mornings as well. Look up
Shears Green Primary on facebook, there are many memories from former pupils
about it!
#4:
My previous comments about boys and girls
at my school doing swimming lessons together completely nude and doing PE
'topless' related to Primary school, ie we were all under 12, and while
swimming nude was optional, topless PE was mandatory for everyone!
#5:
I went to Shears Green Junior School in
Kent, from the 1960's until the late 1980's boys and girls did PE and country
dancing together, before the lesson we had to take ALL our clothes off and were
only allowed to put on one item of clothing, cotton shorts for boys and PE knickers
for the girls, everyone (even the girls) did PE topless and without shoes or
underwear. Girls in year 6 were allowed to wear t-shirts or vests if they
wanted to, but ONLY if they had started to develop noticible boobs! After PE
and dance lessons we had to take our PE kit off and go in the showers naked, we
also had nude swimming lessons in the school pool, this was for everyone, right
up to 11 years old, girls only on Monday, Boys only on Friday and mixed nude
swimming lessons (for which we needed our parents written permission) on
Wednesday and Saturday morning, which were always very popular!
Post 13-3:
Just my 2 cents worth: I've posted this
before but it's been quite some time. When I was about 10 and my little brother
6, we and the neighborhood kids had swim class at the local community center.
The involved moms would rotate which one took us each week. The class was boys
and girls. No, the boys didn't swim nude but might as well have, lol. At the
end of class we would go to our respective dressing rooms, the girls' located
way down the hall and around the corner. I actually never knew exactly where it
was. The boys' was located in the hall leading to the pool in the highest
traffic area. The room was apparently designed for zero privacy, the showers
being located directly across from the door and the door opening back against
the wall for a full view inside from the hall, as opposed to swinging the other
way as to block the line of sight. The moms would come right on in and help the
smaller boys get out of their suits, etc. There would be numerous people,
including girls, waiting just outside in the hall. Well, the door stayed open
more than closed with all the coming and going, plus the fact that it had one
of those heavy, slow-moving closers on it. I remember hating that closer, lol.
In the end, this meant that all the boys including myself were seen naked by
girls every week. I can recall looking directly at various girls my age, some
younger, even. There was even one or two I went to school with which made it
really embarrassing. It was an anatomy lesson for girls, no doubt. I can also
recall seeing boys walk over and use the urinal naked with moms in the room.
That (peeing) was the only thing that couldn't be observed from out in the hall
due to a wall beside the urinal. I did, however get smart after a few weeks and
"fake it", staying in my swimsuit for the ride home. Either the moms
I was riding with didn't notice or didn't care that I was getting in their car
in my wet suit and I sure didn't ask! But, being seen naked by girls around my
age was about the worst thing that could happen to me at the time. And I think
when they were younger it was even worse yet for some reason. I was trying to
be the "big man" in their eyes, I suppose and then having to
completely undress and shower within view of them was sooooo bad. Can anyone
here relate to my experience?
And a reply/comment on the above:
Your experience is almost identical to
mine. I learned to swim at the YMCA starting at about 6 years of age, and
continued into a competitive swimming program there until about 13. There were
bleachers in a balcony above the pool where moms and siblings would watch our
practices, and yes, siblings most definitely included sisters. You stated that
the girls stood outside the door of your locker room. In my YMCA, they came
right inside the locker room after our practices. The attitude was that the
girls had already seen everything we had to show while we were swimming, so
what were they going to see in the locker room that they had not already seen?
The girls stood right at the open entrance to the showers and watched us
shower, and we were not allowed to cover our fronts when we left the showers,
as it was not appropriate for us to be "touching ourselves" in front
of girls. This was especially embarassing if, as often happened in the showers,
we got erections, which we were not allowed to hide as we left the showers.
That really drew the girls' attention. I know exactly what you are talking
about.
Yes, right up until the time I was no
longer involved with the YMCA. I was always a strong swimmer, and when I got
into middle school, or what we called junior high school in the day, I started
swimming on the school swim team instead of at the YMCA. We also practiced in
the nude there, but always wore suits for competitions. We practiced at one
time and the girls practiced at another time since we boys practiced in the
nude.
The situation I am describing was the norm
right up until I was no longer involved in the YMCA program. That finished
about the time we turned 13. We had a female instructor, a P.E. graduate of the
local university, and the prevailing attitude was that boy nudity was a
non-event. We had a variety of attitudes to being seen. You know that there are
always some exhibitionist types who like showing off. The girls however seemed
to reserve their teasing, however, for the boys like me who were more shy and
were more uncomfortable being seen by neighbor, school, and sibling girls who
were both our age and younger. I agree with Tom that being seen by younger
girls was absolutely the worst. Here we wanted to be seen as strong and macho,
and that is rather hard after these girls, who, of course, we had never seen
naked, had seen everything we had. I mean everything.
Post 13-4:
I knew a woman who told me that in her
20's she was a regular instructor for young boys and also sometimes acted as
lifeguard at older teenage male swims.
She said the nudity rule for the males
always applied, irrespective of whether there were females like her present,
but not as spectators for the older ages.
She also said that it was common for
mothers and sisters to be present during the young boys swim classes held in
the nude. This was for boys up to about 12 or so. But like you said these
female relatives were usually a handful and never in large numbers, and always
family members of the boys.
It was the same during swim meets, where
it was usually just family female members of the boys competing present, both
women and girls, that is mothers and sisters. Although it was not uncommon for
some women and girls to take a friend with them to watch.
She said that at these meets there were
also sometimes the young teens swim teams competing, also nude.
She told me that this was normal back then
and no one saw it as something extraordinary.
About the embarrassment she told me that
there were always a few of the older boys in her class who were embarrassed by
the presence of the females watching on the bleachers, especially girls their
age, but soon got used to it.
But most of the boys didn't mind and some
even showed off in front of the girls and women. When this happened she scolded
them and told them to behave.
Older boys on the swim teams were so used
to it that they didn't even give it a second thought, no matter who was
watching.
Post 13-5:
The events I am describing happened in the
southeastern U.S. in the mid 1960s. There were 12 of us in the competitive swim
program at the YMCA. I can remember it after all these years because the YMCA
pool had 12 lanes, and at our practices one of us was in each lane. To my best
recollection, by the time I finished at the YMCA and joined the junior high
school swim team, none of us had reached puberty. Of course, the girls enjoyed
watching our swim classes and the after swim shower even more, as they were
much closer to us. We always got giggling comments about what cute fannies we
had, since we tried to face away from the girls in the shower, and if any of us
were erect when we left the shower and went for our towels, the girls would say
it looks like you enjoy having us here. You can just imagine the comments that
were made. Also, this was a very spanking age, especially for boys, and if any
of us had been spanked and had a red fanny, of course there was no way to hide
it, and we would hear cute comments about the bad boy with the red fanny. I
know somebody who got a spanking!
At the junior high, no, the girls did not
watch our practices. That was the whole point of having separate practice
times. Also, the girls practiced first, so even if we entered the pool area
before they were finished, it was an absolute requirement that we be wrapped in
a towel, and that towel did not come off until the girls had left the pool
area. I am sure the girls got a glimpse of a bare fanny every now and then, or
more than that if they peeked, but there was no comparison to the YMCA in the
opportunity of the girls to see naked boys.
Yes, we had the advantage of having had
this happen since we were younger, and also had the advantage of having 12 boys
going through it at one time. We never had to experience it alone. As I said, a
few of the boys really enjoyed being nude in front of the girls, the rest of us
just tolerated it because we did not know of anything different. The concept of
nude swimming for boys was well entrenched at the YMCA in those years.
Post 13-6; multiple short posts – not
related:
#1:
I lived in upstate NY, went to HS in the
early 80's, we always swam nude in swim class. I don't think it was that big of
a deal, supposedly make you swim faster. We did in fact have a female swim
instructor one semester, still no big deal. I wasn't on the swim team- so I
can't speak to that. But, I played on the ice hockey team, the locker rooms at
that time were co-ed. I can say, quite often the girl figure skaters would walk
through while we were showering, cause there was only one locker room,
bathroom, shower area etc. But, I don't remember it ever being a problem, the
girls would sometimes even stand there while we were showering and talk to us.
In retrospect, things have gotten very conservative and uptight over the years.
#2:
I myself swam nude at the YMCA and school
as a boy from age 5 to 17 (high school team). I regularly competed nude in
front of female relatives, school parents, school friends, and swimmers. We all
did this, so we were nude as a team. If I was shy or embarrassed about my body,
I simply got over it by the time I was 6 or 7.
#3:
1977
Oscoda High School in Oscoda, Michigan
Additionally, I later heard that the
Oscoda High School pool was equipped with an underwater, glassed viewing room
in the diving end of the pool. I thought this could, in no way, be true. I am
assured, by certain females, that this IS true. Son of a Bitch!
Post 13-7:
Subject: Coed Swimming Classes in the
1950's
Adrienne has posted several times about a
two-year window of time back in the 1950's where a high school had coed
swimming classes where the boys swam nude and the girls wore one piece swim
suits. I find this curiously interesting.
A reply to a DIFFERENT post by Adrienne:
In Response To: Coed Swimming Classes in
'50's
I researched the references that Adrienne
quoted regarding the situation in and could find no mention of it or any
reference to boys swimming naked at the YMCA in the presence of female instructors.
I asked for specific pages and she never responded. However, as I have posted
before, having taken swim lessons at the YMCA I can confirm that I and the
other boys were naked and we did have female instructors.
There was also a viewing area and I
remember women and girls viewing the boys. We boys chatted about it because we
were all 12-14 years old and were embarrassed by the presence of women and
girls. I also remember that women sometimes came into the pool area while boys
were swimming naked, but they merely passed through. They were always wearing
swim suits and could have been associated with the YMCA.
Post 13-8: swimming nude was patriotic in
WWII
A few months after the U.S. entered WW II,
the L-85 Regulation was implemented. This mandated the minimum use of cloth for
clothing since it was needed for munitions. It also stopped the sale of home
sewing machines. During that time it became patriotic for men and boys to swim
nude. A review of camp archives shows that nude swimming became virtually
universal during WW II. However, the hygiene and convenience was recognized and
nude swimming at camps continued into the 1960s, beginning to fade in the
mid-1950s.
Post 13-9:
Nude swimming also left room for hijinks.
Tilmon Brown attended school in Mobile, AL during the late 1960s and he has
positive memories of swimming in the buff. “I can remember one day the girls’
P.E. teacher was out sick and they had a substitute that didn’t know the
routine. We boys got naked, rinsed off and skipped roll,” he said in an email
to dose.
“We jumped in only to find the girls were
already in the pool swimming. You can imagine the mayhem that ensued.”
Post 13-11:
My best friend and I swam naked at the
YMCA and were on the swim team. I was 14 at the time and remember the first
swim meet with moms, sisters and girls in the audience that we knew from
school. When we walked out naked some of the girls smiled and others put their
hands over their mouths but all watched us carefully. We even saw some women
teachers we knew whose sons were on the younger boys swim team. At the end of
the meet my mom, sisters, and girls from school came to congratulate us and get
a closer look. We loved all the attention. There were 2 more meets and more
girls we knew showed up each time. We didn't mind but enjoyed the attention.
When school started several of the girls told us how much they enjoyed seeing
us at the smim meets. We told them we enjoyed seem them come. That was 45 years
ago but I'm glad we had the experience. At our 40th highschool reunion some of
the girls said that seeing us at the swim meets was the high light of their
high school years.
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