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Post 6: Nude swimming in school, swim teams
Each post below, 6-#, is a separate post unless its
link to other posts is stated.
Post 6-1: from an old, now-deleted topix.com forum
Boys and girls never shared lessons or the pool
together, but I recall a few times when the following girls class would arrive
early,or the boys would finish late,and we had the horror of getting out the pool
to our towels with girls lined up near the edge.I always felt you looked a fool
if you put your hand over your penis so tried to brazen it out.And there they
were nicely covered in a costume!That bugged a lot of us big time.The lads were
between ages 12 to 16,myself included.At 12 I was one of the first to enter
puberty so I stood out like a sore thumb for a few months which was added
torture.At the time I never even let my own mother see me changing like
that,and here I was at school being made to act as if I had no inhibitions at
all.Most of my close friends felt exactly the same.When it comes to the
showers,that is another long and winding story for my next posting.
Well I was so embarrassed about having to swim naked
at my new school at age 12 that I never told even my mother.Trouble was,a
number of the girls lived in my street and got to see me in that naked crawl
out the pool.A few days later in front of both our mothers she said she had
seen me naked with my willy out,leaving my mother thinking we had been up to
kids "show me yours" kind of games!The reaction from her on finding
out I was made to be naked at swimming lesson was not what I expected.She
laughed,and asked me if my teacher joined us nude.He didn't,ever.This was in
1981.I always envied the few lads who could just get on with it,being naked and
not fussed.But for me personally,all I could think of was "shit I am naked
at school!" Then there was the fear that the girls would be ready and
waiting for theyr lesson before we got out the pool to our towels.Sometimes we
didn't even have towel to grab,meaning a short walk down a corridor to the boys
locker room.Naked,filing along as quick as we could manage.There was a very
real chance of encountering a female teacher during this short way back to the
safety of our change area and our clothes.Of course it had to happen,and did a
few times,and felt horrible.We were actually told to stop running and walk
slowly by one vile bitch one morning.I am sure she delighted in the humiliation
of barking instucyion at a dozen bare naked 14 year olds.We weren't
running,just brisk.See how the very minute details of these things stay with
you over 20 years later.I would really like to hear from teaching staff who
took naked swimming for boys,either in the UK,USA or anywhere else for that
matter.As I mentioned in earlier posting,it was the FORCED way it was done that
bugs me.Not to mention the double standard of girls being given choices,and
swim wear.And I still haven't got around to the showers aspect!
And to Bob,my form tutor,a female,was also the PE and
swim teacher for girls,and on about 4 occasions took the boys for their swim
class.The first time she took us,we were already naked in the pool when she
came in to say our male teacher had a meeting and she was deputising for him.I
recall the huge shock I felt with butterflies in my stomach,and I know that
most of the boys felt the same.The fact that she was my form tutor made it
worse still.The option of trunks was not possible as none of us had brought
any,having never been allowed to wear them.If the girls had been subjected to
the same ways then maybe it would have felt a bit less of an ordeal,who
knows.But it ain't funny,unless you are a bold,extrovert show off with a good
self image.
Post 6-2:
I have read with interest several of these posts. I
was a teacher's assistant in the mid 70's at a high school in the mid west. As
an assistant, I would help out where asked. Several times I helped out in the
pool for both the girls and boys gym class. It was always strictly forbidden
for the girls and boys to be together. The boys were naked and the girls were
not in class. At first I was very intimidated by being there but after a while
I really enjoyed it. I think I am the minority of women. Frequently I would come
home and pleasure myself thinking about what I had seen. It was not just seeing
many naked guys at once, it felt good to be in that role. A few times, it was
my role to make sure the guys where moving along when the class was over which
required that I go into the locker room. Several times there were slackers who
moved slowly and were just getting done in the shower when all the rest had
been done. A few times one of the boys had an erection. I think they wanted me
to see. I would stare "there" that a few of them seemed to enjoy.
I also remember several instances where girls in the
girls lockerroom sneaked out of the door and peered around a corner at the end
of a corridor to catch looks.
Well the boys were not in a line as it was more
informal than that. Yes they had to accept it. Some kind of turned away or
covered their private parts. I do not remember anything totally unusual while
in the pool area. But when I went into the locker room to make sure things were
not too out of hand, I did see some interesting things. One boy had a very odd
erection, it went straight up in the air. There were probably 25 kids in each
class.
Post 6-3:
The school was for boys but because it was war time my
older sister and the head master's daughter attended the school as well. They
also swam but with swim suits. My sister and I went to the school in the
holidays as our parents were friends with the head and his wife. Their two sons
and I swam naked as usual and on one occasion the head's daughter also did
because we got in the pool before the parents appeared.
As I remember we only had two female teachers and they
did not swim with us and were not the instructors, the head and his wife did
that, both in bathers. They all saw us in the bathroom, with two baths, as did
the matron and the man who came to cut our hair, who I knew anyway because he
was a friend of my father's and used to cut our hair at home.
Post 6-4:
when I was at college in the late 60's at the
University of Maryland , College Park, the boys swim classes were nude. The
girls were not. BUt the pool was by the gym so when doors were open when
someone went in or out you could see a little bit. Most of us girls saw naked
boys now and then. It was fun to sort of "accidentally" see.
Post 6-5:
I was studying in india.we had compulsory swimming
lesson.boys were supposed to swim naked while girls could have costume.And
unfortunately mostly boys and girls would be together.I never allowed my mom to
see me changing but had to swim naked in school at age of 15.Often girls would
look at us curiously.
Post 6-6:
The practice seemed to die out by the mid 70’s,
although when my daughter was on the girls’ high school swim team they had a
tradition of sneaking into the school pool and skinny dipping after the last
meet of the season.(No boys present; at least that’s what she told me!).
Post 6-7: actually multiple related posts
Jane- your situation was same as jr. college I
attended and it was mandatory even if lifeguard was female and even of our
class range. It only happened once in a while and there were other females
entering pool area as well in other work capacities. I was never aware it
bothered many of the guys after the initial experience and recall the female
textiles usually let us off a little early if girls' class followed our session
whereas the guys would take us to last minute so could not avoid meeting girls'
class as we exited.
Jane wrote: I was hired to life guard at a summer boys
camp back in the early 60s. The boys, who were 7-10 year olds swam nude. I more
of less took it in stride because it was the accepted way of doing things. Once
or twice, I got to life guard at the older classes because the boy life guard
got sick. This was much more interesting for me. I got an eye full. Once I had
to life guard adult swim because I was the only life guard around when the
regular life guard didn't show up. Seeing much older men was a new experience
for me. It was hard for me to keep my eyes off some of the younger adults. I
have to say that it left me pretty horny. I don't think that the men found it
to be a sexual experience, or at least none of them "showed off" in
the normal way men do when they think of sex. Hi Jane,
I know a lot of guys have trouble with your story
because it is so blatently shameless and gender-based. And I mean both those
attributes in a good way myself, though I believe a lot of others see them in a
negative light. By shameless, I mean that neither the males nor you experienced
shame during the periods you were lifeguarding, and that certainly fits exactly
my own experiences in the 1960s and 1970s. No boy on my school swim team, nor
at the Y that I attended felt shame (that I'm aware of) if girls or women were
present. I don't recall female teachers or coaches, but there were definitely
enough circumstances where girls and women of all ages were around for our nude
swim practices, and no one seemed to care, or feel embarrassed, or bother at
all. I never felt the girls came to peep, or to exploit our nudity, and they
never behaved in any way that indicated our nakedness was the focus of their
attentions - nor was it our focus. We were there to swim. They were there to
watch. And by "gender-based" I meant that it was a guy-thing to swim
naked - anywhere, not just in school sanctioned pools. Girls knew this, so a
girl watching us wouldn't have been surprised or giggly with glee.
Post 6-8:
Clay- you sure do seem free to condemn innocent folks.
At the college I attended they invited school kids for a campus tour the year
before their eligibility to enroll- actually that is how I found out about the
nude swimming- some girls from my class peeked into the pool area and saw some
fellows from our school who were in their first year at this college doing
their swim class. They told us all on the bus ride home and then it sort of
passed on. We are talking about the forced nudity yet you go from
"disgusting" to"now THAT makes sense"
Post 6-9:
A lady from Canada I met in Jamaica claimed that in
the 50's and 60' s each gender swam naked but at different schedules- however;
each conflicting class would do the utmost to get to pools before the opposite
gender was completed. She joked about it and thought it was an equalization
thing among the classmates- and that was jr. college. The awesome francophone
society- it is possible- dunno- but we are fortunate to have the french culture
imbedded in our anglais culture for many reasons other than that having possibly
happened -Cndn girls of all origins are totally No 1 or 10's
Post 6-10:
I learned to swim in the YMCA which was always nude.
But, we also had a pool in school and had swim class as part of PE. We were
given the option of swimming nude if we wanted. Most of us swam nude as we
didn't want to be bothered carrying a wet swimsuit after class. We had the pool
for about 1/2 hr and then the girls had it the other 1/2 hr. The girls of
course all wore swimsuits. There were plenty of times when the girls would come
out to the pool before we were finished and they would sit in the bleachers and
wait until we were done. We would climb out of the pool and they would just sit
there and watch. It was probably a thrill for them but we didn't care.A lot of
times the girls instructor would be sitting there as well. Maybe it was just
the times? No big deal?
Post 6-11:
The swimming was always totally mixed sex,with the
usual swim suits and speedos/trunks for boys.But the changing areas,although
divided up into sections,gave ample opportunity for boys to be viewed while
naked while changing and using the after pool shower run.Although not divided
by sex,the lower change area was given to the boys,and a somewhat raised area
was given to the girls.This meant that boys could see nothing much of changing
girls,but any girls who wanted to do so,could linger in a certain area and
actually watch boys taking a naked after pool rinse down.Our swim trips each
fortnight were taken by a male and a female teacher from the school,as well as
a member of the pool staff.I remember that even the female teacher had access
all areas around the pool and changing,and seemed to spend alot of time trying
to catch boys out,and succeeding many times,including once with me.
Post 6-12:
I had swimming in gym and the clothing code was we
could wear whatever. I did it in jock whereas everybody did it in speedo or
girls panties. There was an exception. We had water polo and half the guys were
“skins” which meant wear nothing. The last day the coach promised a surprise.
First the whole class was told to strip and then some of the girls ran though
and screamed while looking at us. Turned out the girls’ class had girls that
wanted to look so they had talked the teacher into letting them streak and
making us strip for the girls. Several girls went into the cage nude. They
handed out the towels while watching the showers. There were a few woodies and
the girls let us know that they knew.
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Post 7: Nude swimming in school, swim teams #2
Each post below, 7-#, is a separate post unless its
link to other posts is stated.
Nude swimming was the rule for the boys in Dearborn,
Michigan public schools in the 1960's and 1970's.
Girls did try to sneak a peek of us guys swimming nude
when ever they could. Some janitor or other gym teacher would always leave a
door unlocked or some window curtain not fully closed.
I remember in 8th grade when a girl in one of my
classes told me that she saw me earlier that day swimming nude.Embarrassing for
sure!!
At the time I never did understand why boys had to
swim nude. I figured that it was some kind of control issue by the PE teachers
Post 7-2:
There was one true case of nude swimming in high
school just last year. There was a girls swim team that had a female swim
coach, and since there weren’t any boys at the practices the teacher let the
girls practice in the nude for several weeks until a parent found out and
complained. They wound up firing the teacher though.
Post 7-3: 2 possibly related posts
Years ago I visited the province of Kashmir in
northernmost India. The capital, Srinagar, is by a large lake. The youngsters
swim nude, both sexes, until they reach puberty. So much for the myth of
Islamic modesty. You can verify this through a search through old National
Geographics. It would be very good for society to promote nudity so more
relationships would be based on personality. Being nude and seeing others nude
makes people realize people come into two models.
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When at primary school in the UK back in the 60's
a lad from Germany joined us and over there it was the other side of the coin. In
gym class the bios wore shorts/underpants....the girls were always naked. And
from what I remember it was mixed!
Post 7-4: 2 posts re: Lord of the Flies movie (1960’s)
Or "Lord of the Flies" which came out in the
60's showing full frontal nudity of the boys in much of the film and which was
passed as "universal" or "all ages" by the censors both in
America and in Europe. I can't imagine such a film being made and shown today
in public cinemas, let alone for general audiences. It was even shown as a
premiere in England where the boy actors' schoolmates, including girls,
attended to see it, to see the boys in their naked glory. This is just one
proof that boy nudity was acceptable by everyone at least until the sixties. There
was a Hollywood remake of the film a few years ago and there is not one single
scene of nudity in it, as far as I can recall.
Thank God the new version of "Lord of the
Flies" has been cleaned up. I had to watch the old version in my junior
high English class. From what I could see all the boys hated it and the girls
loved it. We also watched the movie "Romeo and Juliet" in high school
but seeing a breast couldn't compare with seeing all the nudity in "Lord
of the Flies
Post 7-5:
This topic brings back memories. Yes I was one of
those boys who had to endure nude swimming classes. It was 1970, I was 14 years
old and our family had just moved from a small town into Chicago. My small town
school didn’t have much in the way of swimming facilities, and I was mortified
at the prospect of swimming in the nude, but nontheless I had to do it. Also as
always the boys would have to be nude, the girls would always swim in their
bathing suits but swim separately. We had one male and one female teacher.
Other female teachers would also occasionally pass by the pool while we swam.
The worst part was when we had to line up nude for role call before we hit the
pool were our teachers including the female teacher would look us over, and
occasionally other teachers who would happen to be by.
I’ll admit I was a very good-looking young lad at the
time, and our female teacher always seemed to pay particular attention to me.
She was very attractive in her late 20’s, and I was young and naïve having come
form a small town. And at that time was only starting to be interested in girls
my own age and saw older women differently, so I didn’t really know what was
going on, but she always seemed to be looking at me. Although several years
later I did feel flattered at all the attention she gave me. A lot of times she
would always make me go in the pool last, so I’d be standing there naked while
everyone was in. Also often times she would talk to me to give instructions or
lecture me, and once I even got a hard on while she spoke to me, it was hard to
control at that age, I was very very embarassed. Once she caught me for
horseplaying and made me get out of the pool and run laps in the nude around
the pool. A few other times she caught me she made me get out of the pool and
stand at attention in role call line in the nude, in one of those instances it
was very embarrassing because the girls swim class came in early, and they were
standing in front of me staring at me while they waited to use the pool. And I
couldn’t do anything about it and just had to stand there while they all stared
at my naked body, it felt like an eternity until they were told to wait
outside, again it was very embarrassing. Every so often the girls would come in
early maybe to get a peek at us boys. If that was bad enough, the next day as I
walked the halls all the girls were looking at me and whispering to each other
and gigling, word must have traveled fast.
It was the 70’s things were different back then,
Looking back, it wasn’t that bad. Yes there were some embarrassing incidents
but I got over it and didn’t really affect me that much, I can laugh about it
now. If anything the whole experience made me less inhibited about my own
nudity than I was prior to it. Also it made me accept that there is nothing
really bad about nudity. People seem to get really uptight about it. Perhaps
that is one of the reasons they had those nude swimming classes to make boys be
more accepting and not be too uptight about nudity.
Post 7-6:
They would always try to keep the girls out of the
pool while the boys were swimming, but they were pretty lackadaisical about it,
so on occasion girls would walk in early on us, I'm pretty sure they also
wanted to get a look at us boys naked. Now that I think about it, they couldn't
have locked the doors to keep them out because of safety and fire codes common
for most all schools.
I remember one time I was at a friend's house and his
sister was trying to embarrass him in front of me, by teasing him that she saw
him swimming naked at the school. He was in a different class than I was, and
once in a while they had the girls class (in which his sister was in), walk in
on them early too. But then their mother heard her teasing him stopped her told
her its perfectly fine for boys to swim naked in school, there's nothing to be
embarrassed about until they become an adult.
Again this was somewhat of the prevailing attitude
back them where I was. To the adults in general back then it was no big deal,
but to us it was a bit embarrassing. Not to mention coming from a woman she
probably didn't know what us boys went through. So as a boy there was no
grounds to complain about it, you just learn to take it in stride, and like I
said I'm not bothered by it now. And a lot of times the actual part of swimming
nude was fun.
Post 7-7:
As far as windows went, there was the coaches
office/supply room that had a windowed mirror. You couldn't see into the office
but you could see into the pool, so someone in there could be watching and you
wouldn't know it. There was a door to the pool area and one in the hall way
outside the pool. No one is supposed to go in there except the teachers, but
they have sent students in the like me fetch stuff for them. So technically
anyone could have gone in there from the outside hall door to observe us even
maybe some female students. They did have some female student aides who did
roam the halls doing errand for teacher, some may not have resisted the
temptation to go in or simply told off-handedly to fetch something from in
there. I never saw and female students go in there, but later you would hear
rumors, I don't know if they were true.
Post 7-8: 2 posts on a related topic
The school system has an exchange program with a
school system on one of the outer islands in Japan. We were sent one of their
women's gym teacher. On the first day we had swimming. Japanese women are known
for their swimming and skindiving. The first thing we learned was how to take a
triangular piece of cloth and some elastic and make a cossie for swimming. When
we showed up poolside dry she made us line up naked while one student hosed us
all down. After a few days we found we liked going in in just a piece of cloth
down there. We liked it that way so much we swam that way at every chance even
with boys. If the boy looked at us too much we grabbed him his you know what
and taught him to stay under two minutes and then took his damn board shorts
and cut them into pieces.
In junior high we had swimming in pe. The girls did
not want to shower so the pe teacher came up with a plan. The suits were to be
given out only to girls who were wet and naked. The teacher was to be nude and
the whole class given the option to do the same. Showers were set up poolside
and girls doing the class nude could take their shower there to save time.
Swimming became so popular that the pool was opened on weekends to nude girls.
Post 7-9: 3 posts on showering
My first nude shower was in school at swimming. the
lockers where in the same room boys and girls in the same room, different rooms
for showers.
I felt nervous at first but then got used to it.
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the coaches for swimming did this.
-Made us swim nude for 2 weeks -made us shower in the
showersr next to the pool
***
The first time I ever showered with anyone was in
Jr. High on the weekend after a big swim meet. We won and every girl our locker
room was very playful and touchy as much as cheery. We showered in one big
group, and then we start playing with each other until the coach walked in and
caught us (but I dont think he minded, lol!). We were all used to him seeing us
in various states of undress (call any girl from Wanton Jr. High a slut and it
will be true).
Post 7-10: 3 related posts; 1st one is a repeat from previous
posts in this series
steve wrote: I went to Roosevelt h.s.in the seventies
and I swam naked all 4 years. In my senior yr we had scheduling problems so the
entire year boys had to share the pool with girls. Girls were allowed to wear
suits. A few chose not to. we also shared the showers and locker room with them
but they got dressed in a different area than the boys. It just wasnt a big
deal then. Us boys were more interested in swimming than any sexual innuendo
with the girls and we resented them sharing the pool with us not because we
were embarrassed or anything like that but we were passionate about our
swimming.
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It does corroborate my story and confirm that it is
not beyond the bounds of actuality to have a female teacher or even female students
walk inside the pool area every so often while we were swimming nude without
anyone going up in arms about it.
This was what I was trying to explain ---for those
that had a hard time believing this. That for the time and the area or locality
this was perfectly okay. The nudity in swimming was an accepted norm, even if
there happened to be some females present.
***
Roosevelt HS Girls Wore Dumpy Suits
Sandi, a former female student, confirmed, "None
of us knew the boys swam nude until we were at school a few months. We heard
about it on the grapevine." She added, "While we (girls) wore suits,
we might as well have been naked too. The swim suits that the school provided
were tanks and gave us no support, and when they got wet, they stretched out
and sagged down to our knees. They were very uncomfortable. And to make things
worse, they were color-coded by size. Everyone knew what size I wore because my
suit was an ugly gray."
Post 7-11:
I know different countries have different
'philosophies' on nudity but I do recall years ago seeing a photo of a girls PE
class in Japan and the girls were all topless. They were young pubescent
teenagers and I do not know the story behind the photo. Maybe they were coming
indoors to take a shower but Japan did seem to have a more relaxed attitude to
nudity then and may still have.
Post 7-12:
I am in my late 60s and only recently retired as a
swim teacher and coach in the Midwest. I realize all too well times and
attitudes have changed but they were quite different once. From the time I
started high school until around 1980, I had about 25 years experience swimming
, teaching and coaching nude, when policy in my school district changed and
swim classes became co-ed. I was certainly never uncomfortable and to my
recollection - no one else ever was - just the way things were. The need for
privacy and modesty was not considered to be something necessary for boys and
men. And while it was never a subject that I brought up - students in more
recent years would express to me their wish to be able to swim nude as their
fathers and grandfathers did.
And I never heard of CFNM fantasies until I started
reading this forum. That said, I competed nude in high school in front of mixed
audiences and as a coach, was frequently seen nude by mixed audiences of
family, friends and faculty who would drop by swim team practices, which were
nude until the same time . I was "dressed" appropriately for my job -
never felt any shame or embarrassment about it. at swim team sessions was
frequently seen nude
Post 7-13:
I’ve been interested by the doubt that some people have
raised. I was at a private all boys school back in the mid 50's. We always had
to swim nude and in summer did gymnastics and field events nude. sometimes
female staff, cleaners and the like, would see us on the field. There were
defiantely young females assisting Matron and sometimes they saw us nude.
Post 7-14:
I can confirm
that a lot of these stories are true. At my prep school here in the UK in the
late 70s this was standard practice. I thought the stories I heard from other
lads were made up till I had to go through it myself at the age of 11. The
naked swimming didn't actually bother me too much. I found it freaky at first,
but it was only really an ordeal the first few times. It's true that you get
used to it very quickly + stop thinkin about it too much. Also, it was only
being naked in front of other lads in my year, + they were all naked too, so it
seemed fair. The swimming instructors wore trunks though, + although we
sometimes saw them showering, I think this was the only thing that really bothered
me about it. Until the first competition. That's when it all suddenly became a
real issue for me. Till then, we had had relative privacy. Very occasionally a
senior master would come into the pool area, but since he was male, + we could
just stay in the pool till he'd gone, it didn't bother us much. No female staff
ever came near the pool + it was an all boy's school. I honestly couldn't
believe it when we were first told that we would be competing naked in front of
spectators. We'd got used to being naked in front of each other, but were
absolutely horrified at the thought of being seen by anyone else. If we'd been
asked to compete in front of the other years [of boys] I think we could have
handled it, but not this! The worst thing was that we couldn't get out of it. I
assumed that I could just choose not to compete, but no, we were told it was a compulsory
part of the education program for all students. In the next few weeks, as we
continued to train, we started to realise that we couldn't prevent this from
becoming a terrifying reality, whatever any of us thought about it. We also
heard more + more from the older boys + they seemed to delight in our
discomfort. Some of them told us that the school secretary would supervise the
pre - swim shower + the school nurse would make us roll back our foreskin to
check if we were clean before we competed. Obviously this was nonsense, but the
public nudity absolutely was not! I have never felt so humiliated in my life.
The worst thing was that if we even hinted to the staff about being
uncomfortable we were told to grow up + stop being a jessy + act like a man.
That was fine for them - they got to keep their clothes on! I tried to feign
illness + even desperately rang my parents,[not something you did back then
except for emergencies, etc] It got me nowhere [except detention + a very
strict warning]. My father was furious + my mother told me that boys often swim
in the nude + not to make a fuss, + that we all have to do things we don't like
+ she would be there to support me! Not what I wanted to hear at all! The
actual day was both better + worse than I could have imagined. I think in some
ways it was a relief to get it over with. I remember feeling emotionally very
numb - like I couldn't really feel anything at all, except a desperate kind of
very slight despair. I was amazed at how calmly I was able to walk out into the
pool area, I think I felt very mature at how well I was handling it, but deep down
inside I just wanted the ground to swallow me up. I still couldn't quite believe
that it was really happenning. I was actually calmly standing there naked, by
the side of my school's swimming pool, in front of a large crowd of several
dozen fully dressed people. I just prayed that - firstly, it would all be over
as soon as possible + secondly,that hardly anyone I knew would see me. I had
the sense not to look too closely at the crowd, but couldn't help seeing my R.E
teacher [female] in the front row. She made eye contact + smiled. I just felt
like dying right there. I made sure I didn't look at any of the spectators
again till it was over, I just couldn't bear it. A female teacher now knew
exactly how every private + most intimate part of my body looked! Not even my
own mother had seen me completely naked since I was 8! In a strange kind of way
it did make me focus more on the events. Not that I did very well, but I didn't
really want to win - imagine having to collect a prize naked! The worst thing
though, was having to wait outside the pool when not competing - at the start
you were just part of a crowd, but when almost everyone else was in the water you
just felt even more completely exposed. That's how I'd sum it up really.
Powerless, humiliated + completely exposed. I still don't know why anyone
thought it was a good idea to put us through that. After the event I realised
that every teacher + member of staff in the entire school had seen every part
of me - not to mention some of my friend's parents. Worst of all, my best
friend Clough's 13 year old sister! Great! It's true that after the event I
didn't really bother about covering myself up - but why would I? Everybody had
seen everything anyway, + acting nonchalant didn't mean that I wasn't dying of
embarrassment inside. I would have gladly done almost anything to have gotten
out of that competition - washed every dish in the school every day for a year
- whatever! Do you know - the Deputy Headmaster himself finally told me to get
dressed when the spectators started to leave!??? It didn't stop there either.
At the end of June we had to endure an inter-school event a few miles away at
an outdoor pool. This time there were hundreds of spectators, no changing room
for the visiting school [us, + I'm not kidding about that, either] + wait for it,
a press photographer. It seemed also to be a tradition to invite as many girls
as possible to this event, because they were everywhere, [including our so called
'changing area'] + loved every minute of it, [+ don't think for one moment that
they didn't take every possible opportunity to stare at us, tease us +
generally make our life hell.] Fortunately, thank heavens, this only happenned
once. I cried for days + prayed that no-one would ever see any of those
pictures of me [I think there were very few with full frontal nudity anyway -
mostly head + shoulder shots, or photos taken during races] But I still don't
understand why our modesty + privacy was so completely disregarded. I've even
heard that in some schools, both sexes competed at the same events - the girls
in swimsuits + the boys completely naked. I think that even at that age, I
would have absolutely refused to do that - whatever the punishment - as it
would have been so blatently unfair. for above
Post 7-15:
I went to high
school in the late 50's and did a lot of swimming. It was customary back then
for us young men to be naked any time we were in the pool area. And by the way,
this applied to the adult coaches and PE instructors. Our swim meets were
obviously the same. I can remember on several occasions when we had co-ed meets
-- boys were nude, girls were in swim suits.
Post 7-16: 2 posts on a similar topic
I was on the swim team almost my entire life. Our
practices were nude, and our swim coach (who was not the gym teacher) was also
nude. Suits weren't an option. At meets, our warm-up laps were done in the
nude, even with spectators. If we chose to, we could put on our suits just
before the competition got under way, but this was NOT required. Sounds strange
today, I know, but suits were optional at swim meets, and most of us went
without. We didn't think of this as gay, or exhibitionist or sexual. We just
preferred swimming this way. We had been swimming nude our entire lives, and we
often had spectators when we practiced naked, so it was not a big deal to do
the same at competitions. It was no secret that swimming was always nude at
school, so neither was it a surprise that the swim team competed that way..
Again, this was a sport, not a peep show. I know it would be viewed differently
today, but it was how things were back then.
Our swim meets
were obviously the same. I can remember on several occasions when we had co-ed
meets -- boys were nude, girls were in swim suits. As I was a very early
adolescent bloomer -- fully developed by the time I was 15, I can remember feeling
more than a little self-conscious standing up there on the diving board in all
my glory before an audience. Of course that was the custom then and it had very
strong peer approval and support. In any case I can remember feeling my own intense
physical response to the other men in the water and would make it a point to
stay well submerged. Obviously things now are quite different, but I still miss
the old days.
Found on the Web: Reports of Forced Nudity Compiled
and edited by Editor_N
Post 8: Nude swimming in school, swim teams #3
Each post below, 8-#, is a separate post unless its
link to other posts is stated.
Post 8-1:
I was never on the junior high swim team but they did
swim in the nude. I did have the opportunity a couple of times to serve as a timer
for meets. The option was give to stay dressed when timing but the pool area
was wet and warm so the first time I stripped. Another student timer came
clothed and was uncomfortable enough that he stripped and resumed running the
stop watch. As far as spectators I don't recall anyone but some dads. The pool
area was small and most dads worked but a few came and stood in suits with their
shoes off. I also remember one 5th or 6th grade brother coming and he actually
assisted in timing. He was there several times and was asked if he could help
at the next meet and showed up to run a watch. We had a little moment of truth
when he realized he was going to need to strip. It was almost like he was not
paying much attention when he watched the meets earlier. Very quickly he made
the decision to loose the briefs and was ok the rest of the meet. I also
remember running into a dad of one of my classmates who came to a meet shopping
later in the week and was more uncomfortable seeing him later than standing
there in my birthday suit. One junior high did use suits (new school) and when
they came for a meet there was a little hesitation but not much of an issue that
I recall. In fact when our school visited the school with the suits and parents
could come (sisters and classmates) there was more attention paid to the kids
in the very small suits.
Isn't it odd how times change. When I was young we never
questioned our teachers and coaches who "forced" us into the group
shower rooms or thought it odd that all the guys were swimming nude.
Now it seems that our children have a legally
enforcable right to keep their trousers on.
What a long strange trip it's been!
Post 8-2:
I've read through the many interesting posts in this
group and wanted to share a little back with the group. When I was in Junior High
School (7th and 8th grades) we had a pool and it was mandatory for boys to swim
nude both for PE swimming classes and for swimming practices. However, during
swim meets we wore suits.
We all hated rainy days because there was no outside
recess when the weather was bad. Instead the recess girls would go to the
gymnasium and sit on the bleachers and watch the other girls in PE class and the
reces guys would go to the pool and sit on the bleachers and watch the guys
swim (and vice versa when the girls were swimming and the guys were playing
basketball). I remember many times having to swim nude in front of my clothed
schoolmates who couldn't go outside for thier recess as well as those times
when I was on bleachers watching others. During the winter months, it seems
like we always had a crowd of boys on the bleachers.
I recall it was pretty embarrassing at the beginning
of seventh grade getting used to the nude thing - we didn't have swimming or showers
in earlier grades. Not only was it tough getting used to puberty but suddenly
we were naked around our friends. And then that first rainy day that recess was
brought into the pool area and the rest of our friends - in their clothes - sat
on the bleachers and watched us in all our glory! After a few weeks I don't
think anyone even thought about it - it was just part of the class.
Post 8-3: from a now-deleted topix.com forum
How many others of you went thru that experience? I
also remember the 'five finger club' where a teacher would slap you on the rump
so hard it would leave a large red welt the shape of their hand on your behind.
Here in Buffalo NY, during the late 60's in grade and middle school had naked
swimming for boys. And amazingly how this story fit well with my own experience
in the USA. Even some of the girls got to see us swimming in the pool naked. I
remember them laughing and giggling. And the teachers did not care a bit. We
were not as old as teenagers at this time, that school was a middle school, not
a HS.
Post 8-4:
"...They bring back memories of my own nude
swimming days in school. Boys were never allowed to wear anything at all during
swim classes. We swam completely naked for six years because of some rule that
was never explained to us. Fortunately, we liked it! I was on the swim team in
high school, and our practices were nude as well, though we competed in school
issued speedos. I remember one meet though, where we took a bus to the other
school for a Saturday morning meet. When we came out to the pool deck, ready to
swim, the other team was naked. Their coach came over and told us their school
had a no-suit policy, and that meant for swim meets too. Our coach told him
that we competed in suits, and he wasn't comfortable asking us to get naked
because there were about a hundred spectators in the stands. But then our team
captain told both coaches that it was no big deal, and he pulled off his suit
and tossed it aside. The rest of us did the same, and we competed in the nude
that day. Swam our best too, as I recall. Don't know why we didn't do that all
the time!"
Post 8-5:
I also attended my Local 'Y' in Louisville, Ky. where
I not only learned to swim but also became certified on 'SCUBA' and, yes, the
rule of the day was total nudity for the males. Don't know about the females at
the 'YWCA' though.
Interestingly at that facility there was a large plate
glass window at the end of the pool that looked into the pool area from the
hallway going to the locker rooms. I remember on several occasions seeing a
couple of the 'office ladies' casually and very slowly passing by that window.
I was 12 when I learned to swim and 14 when I took the scuba course. In both
cases I had passed puberty so these ladies definitely saw all that I was going
to be as a man. Somehow though it just didn't matter to me at the time and
frankly wouldn't bother me in the least today. LOL
Post 8-6:
My uncle graduated from a now-defunct high school in
1947. There was no swimming during ww2 and also swimming was hurt by a coal
strike. But for one semester, his gym class swam at an indoor natatorium ran by
a park district. The class swam on alternate Tuesdays- girls w/ a one-piece on
odd Tuesdays, boys with no suits on even Tuesdays. There were grammar school
kids of both genders, as well as adults, gawking and laughing at the naked boys
through the thick tinted glass. The pool was first floor and not all brick. The
nude swimming took place in a park pool indoors, not at a Y or a school, but
the boys swam nude and were seen by females. One counter-ex. is all you need to
disprove an E-statement.
Post 8-7: multiple related posts
At college, back in the 60s, coaches and instructors
were always nude - pool or office. It was pretty much a male-only environment -
women had use of facilities only a few hours a week back then. I worked as a
lifeguard and assistant to the swim instructors for the general swimming
classes. I only wore a suit for inter-collegiate swim meets. These was an
intramural program as well - swam in it as a freshman and sophomore - and
helped run the program with one of the coaches in my last years. These events
were suit optional and open to mixed audiences but I never recall wearing a
suit either as a swimmer or when I assisted the coach at the events. He was
nude and I followed his lead. I would say maybe about half the guys wore suits,
though.
At the intramural college events, students had the
option to wear a suit or not. As I recall, those who did not were either on the
regular swim team, comfortable with practicing nude and/or from backgrounds like
my own - from families like my own where male nudity for both men and boys was
considered commonplace and ordinary. Like me, they probably did not own a swim
suit while growing up. So they, like me, thought nothing of being nude in front
of others.
When I was a student, girls and women were able to
attend meets at and open practices at our school where coaches and swimmers
were nude. As a coach in the 70s, women and girls were able to attend the open
practices where I was nude as well as the swim team. I, for one, was certainly
never embarrassed, nor do I recall anyone being so.
This happened at a small college in the Upper Midwest,
the part of the country I am from until I moved recently. I really have no idea
what the local "public indecency" statutes were at the time in this
area - but whatever they were they certainly did not apply to nude male
swimming in mixed company in any public or private venues in my experience at
that time. And to this day - they still vary across the country.
*** a posted comment on the above:
I have to say that most of ***'s postings reflect my
own personal experiences, at school, on the swim team, and at the Y. While we
never did compete in the nude, our team knew of other schools that did, and we
would continually ask for the same. It seemed ridiculous to us to swim and
practice naked, then have to put on Speedos for an actual race. Never got
permission though.
Our coach (who was not a gym teacher by the way) was
nude if our practices were in the morning before school, but he wore a suit if
practices were in the afternoon. I never asked why, but after participating in
this forum, I would surmise it was because people (families, friends, school
staff, students, etc.) would sometimes watch our afternoon practices. We did
not have assistant coaches, but we did often have student teachers (college
kids working towards their certification) who participated in after school
activities as assistants. Those that helped out on the swim team were nude as
well.
*** another related comment
Have gone back and read some of your postings - our
experiences certainly do have a lot of parallels - despite some doubting our
veracity !! When I was coach, my team like yours, wanted to compete nude as
well. If it was up to me - certainly would have let them - but it was policy by
that time that all meets were suited. Their best times were invariably in
practice when they were nude. I was both teacher and coach - no budget to have
two separate positions. But unlike your coach, I stayed bare for open practices
where family and friends may have been watching. I was certainly comfortable
that way and no one ever questioned it. As someone else said, I was in
"uniform" for my job, as I was in the water a lot myself then teaching
and demonstrating technique.
As a high school student, in the earlier 1960s, I was
able to compete nude at home meets and maybe about half of away meets. My Dad
was coach, and any meet under his management was swimsuit optional. That said,
our entire team was always nude, to my recollection, given the chance - how we
best competed.
As a high school coach, in the 1970s, up to around
1980, our practices were always nude, but meets were suited - per policy in the
district - and I believe any other district in our area then. But I never wore
a suit myself in these practices, no matter time of day
Post 8-8:
I was talking with one of the girls from my class the
other week who I hadn't seen for years and she remembered those times .she
recalled how as a 15 year old girl and the other girls in the class did look
forward to seeing the boy who had forgot his kit cause they new they where
going to get to see everything as she put it and over the school year she
thinks she saw over 3/4 of the boys in the class nude and she said as a15 year
old girl it answered a lot of question about the male body for the girls
Post 8-9: multiple posts on the same topic
As you say many schools did not have total privacy for
boys. Also I believe that a lot of secret peeking went on in many schools by
the girls. Although as Mike says it was not easy or common for females to just
walk in on the boys when they were swimming nude, a lot of them found ways to
look at the boys just the same. Some women have even commented on these forums
about how they used to regularly peek at the boys when they were schoolgirls.
***
I've been searching for a discussion board/blog of
folks that went to Central High in Fargo, North Dakota. The school district
site hosted this blog and folks would reminisce and post their memoirs about
the olden days in the 40s, 50s and 60s. For a long time, the high school had
swimming practice typical of the days, guys swam nude, girls swam with suits
on. here were dozens of stories about the boys class swimming nude posted by alumni.
One woman had posted an account of how both the boys
and girl locker rooms opened into the swim area. She said that there were
cracks in these doors, and that the girls could peek through from their locker
room and view the boys classes as they swam nude. She told of stories how she
and the other girls could watch the boys swim classes, watch them line up for
roll call, etc. She added that when caught, they got in trouble. But in
retrospect she said she would do it again if she had the chance. Also, in the same
memoirs, a guy posted how he could always hear giggles coming from behind the
girl's locker room doors when he was on that end of the pool.
***
I think this actually did happen. It reminds me of a
post on the old forum where a poster who regularly swam nude in gym class was
once told by his mother that a friend of hers who worked at his school as a
teacher or office worker remarked that her son was a good diver from the
sprinboard. The boy asked how did she know and was shocked when she told him that
the female staff could see them from the office windows which were high above
the pool. I don't think the female teachers or staff would have missed this
opportunity when it was so easy.
Post 8-10:
It was a man/boys thing, however in school the boys
swam naked and the girls wore suits but we never swam at the same time. I
remember they always tried to keep us separate but there were many times a few
of the girls would come to the pool and sit and wait for us to finish.It also
was not uncommon to have a female instructor walk into the pool room while we
were practicing.The female instructors never bothered us as they didn't hang
out and rarely paid attention to us but the girls would sit on the bleachers
and watch us and sometimes they would be sitting where we had our towels so it
was a little uncomfortable, even for me and I was a practicing nudist or as
much of one as you can be at 12 yrs old.
Post 8-11:
I just came
across this group and it brought back memories that I thought I had filed and
forgotten years ago. I am ancient, I'm sure, compared to most posters here, but
I recall back in the 1950s when I was about eight or nine being taken by my
mother to a "Y" in a small suburb of New York City. It may have been
White Plains, N.Y.,but that detail is foggy to me. I do remember my shock at
meeting the instructor (a woman whom I thought then to be very old but in fact was
probably in her early to mid-20s) and being told the rule was the boys would
take class naked. The teacher wore a one-piece, black bathing suit. She
apologized to my mother that since there had been a drop in the number of
students recently, I would be in a mixed-age class, ranging from as young as
six to as old as 14. My mother thought that would be okay and we returned next
week for the first class. I went into the locker room alone -- some of the
other younger boys were accompanied by their mothers. My mother had to leave
and I was picked up after the lesson by my father. It was a small Y with a
small locker room and there was no way to undress out of sight of the 4 or 5 mothers
in the room. One of them, I recall, much to my horror, felt her son's body (he
was about 7) all over when he was naked, almost like a judge at a dog show (my
father both showed and judged at dog shows, so I was aware of the drill.) It
may have been my imagination, but she seemed to spend an inordinate amount of
time checking his penis and scrotum. Then the instructor marched in and blew a whistle,
and said in a loud voice that it was time for class to begin. We all marched in
(about 12 of us, mostly young, but one 14 year-old who maintained an erection
as went into the pool area.) We lined up, more or less according to height, in
front of the instructor near the edge of the pool. We were facing the four rows
of benches that lined one wall of the pool area for spectators. I was stunned
to see at least eight adult women in the stands and about an equal number of
young girls (a couple of toddlers and at least three teenagers, including one
who was the sister of one of my friends. Apparantly, she babysat in the
afternoons for one of the young boys in ther class and one of her duties was to
bring his to swim lesson. I saw that she recognized me and I went crimson from
head to toe. During class, while we were using flutter boards, the instructor
would adjust our bodies so that were kicking correctly. Her hand went under
water and brushed up from my upper thigh, across my balls and penis and on to
my stomach. Even at nine, I felt something I didn't understand going on in my crotch.
After class, something even worse occurred. As I was in the locker room, still
naked and facing my locker, I felt a hand on my shoulder and someone
said,"Is that you, Reinhard -------?" I turned around to discover
that the hand belonged to my piano teacher, Mrs. Grabansky. I was mortified.
She said something to me about how nice it was to know that I was in the same
class as her son, patted me on bare ass and moved on. I can't remember how long
the classes went on -- it seemed like forever. But if was pretty much the same
routine evry time. And even though I did learn to swim, I resented the
humiliation I felt. One day, swhen my couraged was up,I recall asking the
instructor if the girls were naked when they learned to swim, and could I come watch?
She patted my shoulder. "Oh, no. The girls don't swim naked. And no
visitors are allowed during their lessons. They wouldn't like it and besides it
wouldn't be right." Are there any other old duffe
Post 8-12: Disney film
Disney is said
to have made one film in the ? 50's showing boys swimming nude at a swimming
hole, and apparently the grammar school was invited to watch the filming and
they did. Forgot what film that was, but I can probably find out.
The film was Pollyanna (1960), undoubtedly filmed in
the late 50's. The boys who skinny dipped were extras from the local town. The report
I saw was that the boys' grammar school class including the girls came and
watched the filming. When asked about it later the film's star, Hayley Mills
couldn't even remember the swimming sequence which is the opening scene in the
movie. That's how ordinary this was considered at that time.
Post 8-13:
BTW when I was in high school (Los Angeles in the
mid-70s) we swam naked and water polo practice was naked, but we wore Speedos
when the public was there for a meet or game.
Post 8-14:
In my junior
high, in the 70s, boys swam nude and girls wore school-supplied suits. (The
school supplied and laundered suits and towels.) Boys took shop and girls took
Home Economics. That's how it was.
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