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Found on the Web: Reports of Forced Nudity
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Post 3: CFNM school swimming: nude boys swim with clothed girls

Each post below, 3-#, is a separate post unless its link to other posts is stated.

Post 3-1: probably from an old, now-deleted topix.com forum

Andre
Minneapolis, MN
Saturday Nov 17

"I'm sorry that Peter had such a terrible time being nude around other boys. However, he must also recognize that the majority on this thread disagrees with him. My experience in the 70s & 80s was the same, but my reaction, and honestly, those of my friends at the time, was the opposite. We liked it. Yes we liked it. And not only did we not consider it gay, we didn't consider it sexual.

"It is possible that we would have had a different reaction if given the choice, but nudity in swim class, on the swim team, or at the YMCA was presented to us as normal and acceptable. In that scenario, we took to it very easily. Of course things are different today; the male body has become more sexualized, and children are becoming sexually aware at a younger age. But it wasn't always like this.

"Group nudity among boys was the norm in many situations; at camp, at school, on the swim team, in boy scouts, or just skinny dipping. Contextually it made sense and we did not feel ashamed. As someone else said in this thread, nudity was the boys' swimming uniform. It was very public. Parents, coaches and instructors were not only aware of it, they supported it. Why would we feel shame? Where would that even come from, when the entire adult population was telling us this was normal?

"I do not understand the double standard about girls wearing suits, but as I recall, the girls understood it. When I was a junior in high school, a pipe froze, burst, and flooded the gym over the Christmas break. When school resumed, the gym had to be closed for over a month for repairs. Girls' and boys' swim classes were combined for the duration of the repair period. From today's viewpoint, two strange things happened as a result:

"1) The girls were offered the option of not attending swim class with the boys. They could opt for an extra study hall instead. The boys would continue to swim nude.

"2) The boys were incensed at having to share the pool with girls, not about having to swim nude with them.

"I understand that this is almost inconceivable today, but times really were different. I was, as were a lot of posters, on the swim team, and we practiced and competed nude. We ALWAYS had people of both sexes watching our practices and coming to our meets. We were accustomed to being naked in the pool. The addition of girls in our swim class was just more of the same. It was more of a blow to our male egos to be in gym class with silly girls than it was damaging to our sense of modesty. What modesty? This had always been normal for us.

"At first they put the boys in the deep end and the girls in the shallow end, switching sides halfway through class. That turned out badly, as there's virtually nothing to do in the shallow end, and you can't do much in the deep end if you can't swim the length of the pool. Then they split the pool down the middle, but in that situation we had two instructors, side by side, teaching two different things to two different classes. So on the third day they just combined the classes completely. We swam that way for almost five weeks, and when it was over, we went back to our regular schedule. As teenage boys, we were more happy to be rid of the girls than anything else. We didn't concern ourselves about the nudity, and didn't care much if they did.

"I think we now have too much emphasis on modesty, shame, embarrassment and sexuality with regards to nudity. I truly believe I grew up in a healthier time, and do not understand today's fear that another person - even a person of the same gender - might see your nakedness. What does this really accomplish, other than to generate more fear and humiliation, and more curiosity about what sex, nudity, and gender differences mean? I swam nude for six years and I truly enjoyed it. I practiced and competed nude on a swim team for four years, and not only was I not embarrassed about being naked in front of a crowd, I didn't think about it. I thought about winning."

Post 3-2: from a deleted topix.com forum. The original writer was the target of vicious attacks on the forum by “it never happened” haters.

My Mom passed away some time ago. Her intentions were pure. Boys were to be nude for this instruction because "that was the way things were". There was nothing evil or overtly sexual at all. I have the photos. There are 12. They are around 2.5 inches square, glossy black and white prints. They are as sharp and clear as new. They are bound in a Kodak Camera store binder, slightly larger than the photos, The binder is maroon with silver border. The photos are attached at the top by a perforated tab. On the back of each photo is a watermark of sorts,"Never Fade", in the style of a bow tie. There are 12 photos, representing one whole roll of Kodak 620 film. Although the swim classes were in the summer, the roll of film was not processed until November. The bottom border of each print has the stamp "Nov 1953". On the inside of the front cover my Mom wrote in pencil, "summer swim school, last day". I am in every photo, and naked. They show me checking in with other participants at a card table at the end of the pool, being organized into groups and receiving both on deck and in the pool instruction. There is a photo of me standing on a painted wood starting box "1", receiving my certificate and a small ribbon, and shaking hands with an instructor. I and the others boys in line are naked. There is a photo of the whole group, lined up at the end of the pool in size order from the smallest, a boy around 7 or 8, to the tallest and possibly oldest, another boy, I would say is around 13 or maybe 14. There are 23 in all. There are 12 girls and 11 boys. All of the girls are wearing either a beach style bathing suit or what appears to be a nylon tank suit. All of the boys are naked. Photo Number 12 was at some time removed from the packet, but later reattached with Scotch tape. The tape is gone but there are matching yellow stains on both the back of the photo and the tab, which is still attached to the binder. It is a snapshot, taken by someone else, of my Mom and me, standing next to the "1" starting box. I am holding my "trophies" and my Mom has her arm around my shoulders. I am naked. Her smile and obvious pride are genuine. My smile and pride are genuine. There is a small hole at the top of that photo, suggesting that at some time it may have been held by a thumbtack. I will not post these photos. They were taken by my Mom and intended to be part of our personal history and never intended to be distributed worldwide. I am young and naked in all of the photos and do not wish for them to be distributed in an uncontrolled and somewhat hostile environment. Most of the photos include other parents, family members, other participants, both with suits and naked, and the instructors. Even though they are now unknown, it would be unfair to them to distribute these pictures. Masking out parts of a photo or changing them simply for the sake of convincing someone who will still not accept fact anyway, is unproductive. I don't know about other parts of the country, but in Florida, in the summer of 1953, "that was the way things were."

Post 3-3: from voy.com - similar to above post

In the early 1950s I attended a summer swim school in north central Florida. I would have been 10. It was at an outdoor pool on the grounds of an elementary or middle school. There were maybe 15 - 20 participants from 9 to 13. For whatever the reason, all the boys participated naked. The girls wore some kind of swim suit. The instructors were all high school age girls. I was really shy at first, but got used to it. Moms and siblings watched from bleachers around the pool. Girls changed in a cabana, boys simply undressed on the deck.
Things have changed a lot since then.

Post 3-4: from a now-deleted voy.com board

I have followed the stuff on the subject of boys swimming nude with girls in swimsuits for a while and now have to try to set the record straight. From the mid 1940's through the mid 1950's I swam nearly every Saturday morning at the Germantown YMCA, which was, and still is, located on Greene Street, just north of Chelten Avenue, in the Germantown section of Philadelphia. The Germantown Y was a grand old brick building, on the west side of Green Street. When you entered, you went into a large common lobby area, that anyone , male, female, boy, girl, old or young could enter. There was a reception desk in the middle of the hall. If you were a member, only a boy or a man at that time - you passed through a swinging gate, passed the desk and went through doors into the main hallway. There were two gyms on the first level. Basket ball was always in one of them, and other stuff, volley ball, relays, even electric train races during the Christmas season, in the other. On the left was a stair way that lead to the basement. The swimming pool was in the basement. The locker room was really nothing more than just an undressing room, because there were no lockers. One simply completely undressed naked, put everything into a wire basket, and handed the basket to an attendant, who gave you a metal tag on an elastic band, with a number matching your basket. Most of us put that around our ankle or wrist. Everyone in that session- we were all boys, say 8 to 15, swam naked. You entered the pool through a shower tunnel, icy cold water from both sides, exiting onto the pool deck. These morning sessions were "youth age group", or category defined- tadpole, minnow, shark, etc. which defined the area of the pool you were qualified to use -shallow, mid level or deep end. There was an adult swim period that followed. Some of the boys would stay to swim with their dads or other men. No one seems to argue with any of that.
Here was the thing that seems to cause all the current conflict.
Up in the main lobby, to the left of the reception desk was a door, usually closed and locked, but always open on Saturday mornings. It was held open by one of those wheeled, mop bucket wringer, pails. If you went through that door, you went down a narrow stairway to the basement level, and, if you turned to the right, you went into a narrow alcove that ran along one third of the west side of the swimming pool, not much different than the player bench in an ice hockey rink, but possibly about two benches deep, the second bench slightly higher than the first. There was a solid railing that ran the full length of the alcove separating the alcove from the pool deck. There was no swinging gate or door onto the deck itself and there was a "chicken wire" screen that ran from the top of the rail to the ceiling. The fact is: Moms, dads, though not often - men worked, Moms took care of the kids - younger brothers and sisters, or friends of the family, boys or girls ... or anybody could come down, when that lobby door was open, and sit or stand in that area, at the very deck level, and watch the swimming session. I have very clear recollections of same-age girls "hanging" on the chicken wire watching all the totally naked boys swimming. At the end of the session, everybody went up to the lobby, and by the time
I was dressed and upstairs, the door would be closed and locked.
I was having some success with swimming, and my Mom, urged by some other Moms, who watched us on Saturday mornings, signed me up for advanced lessons with Mrs. Griffith. Mrs. Griffith had an estate just north of Philadelphia, near Ambler. She had a swimming pool in what I would now call an old barn. It may have been 4 lanes, if that. She was highly recognized for stroke mechanics and I understand had trained some top rank swimmers. The thing was, and here is where some people go crazy, but IT WAS IN FACT the case. Although she trained both boys and girls at the same sessions, all boys trained naked, just like at the Y. BUT, the girls all wore a tank suit. There were never more than 8 or 10 of us at a time, but always a mix of both boys and girls. Our moms sat in a lobby area outside the pool, watching through a large glass window, and we boys and girls were in the pool area. There were no lockers or showers or any of that sort of thing. We, the boys, would simply undress naked, and pile our clothes on a bench at the far end of the pool. The girls went, one by one, into the small bathroom, just off of the observation room, and changed into tank suits. Once all of the girls had changed into tank suits and come out onto the deck, Mrs. Griffith would call us all together and brief us on the "drill of the Day". Mrs. Griffith was assisted by her daughter, a college champion swimmer from Montgomery County. They were very good at what they did, and my times improved, and my quality of swimming got pretty good, although never national level.
Now the point of all this wandering has nothing to do with swimming, but is a point that seems to be a major interest of those who never experienced these situations. It always seems to come down to the fact that we boys were naked, and the girls were not. That, dear reader, simply was how it was!
AND, again for those who have been waiting for this part..Yes, in the intensity of the training, boys did, and I was among the top of the list, from time to time experience erections. Always non-sexual, usually associated with excess energy, success, praise from Mrs. Griffith or her daughter, or simply the general excitement of accomplishment. Did girls see me with a partial, semi, or fully erect penis in other situations? Yes they did! Most often it was when we were practicing back stroke racing turns on mats up on the pool deck. Mrs. Griffith preferred a spin turn, rather than a full tumble. Any swimmer reading this knows what I am talking about. Did I ever really get used to standing naked with a group of peers, boys and girls, with my penis in full erection, pointing almost straight up at the ceiling? Well, maybe somewhat. Remember, my mom was never far away, always watching, usually with other moms, and the brothers, sisters and friends of the boys and girls in my group. Did any of the other boys ever have the same experience and have their penis rise fully or partially erect? Of course. Sometimes, while Mrs. Griffith or her daughter would have us all, boys and girls, standing on the deck, emphasizing an important motion or maneuver all three or four of us boys would be "presenting" at some level of intensity.
Did anyone EVER say anything about seeing me, or any of the other boys for that matter, with a partial or fully erect penis? Well, as far as my my Mom, or any of the other moms, NEVER. The only thing I do remember was my younger female cousin, Jennifer, asking me during a drive home from a training session with Mrs. Griffith, "Does it hurt, when it gets all stiff and sticks up like that?" I assured her that it indeed, did not.
I would welcome the opportunity to share genuine experiences of this nature with other "old guard", who may have had similar experiences, at the Germantown Y or anywhere at all.

Post 3-5: origin uncertain, possibly an old, now-deleted email group

I just read the message about school swimming classes in the 1960s
and 70s where boys were naked but girls wore swimsuits. A friend of
mine tells me that this happened at his school in the early 1960s.
It wasn't standard policy for all schools. In many schools all
pupils – both boys and girls – had to go swimming in swimsuits but
in others it was often the case that boys were expected to swim nude
at all time. This was usually down to "school tradition" – it had
been done for years and years so it was considered the "done" thing.
He told me that his family moved to a big city when he was 13 so he
went to a new school. In his old school which had been in the
country all pupils had to wear swimsuits when swimming so it came as
a real shock when he found that at his new school all boys had to
swim in the nude. I should add that he had four siblings – two
brothers (16 and 11) and two sisters (12 and 15). They all went to
this same school which was mixed – both boys and girl pupils. His
brothers were just as shocked as he was when they found out the
school policy in regard to swimming. His sisters on the other hand
found it all hilarious – which was easy for them as they – like all
the female pupils – were expected to wear one piece swim suits when
it came to swimming.
He said he well remembered his dread as his first swim period
approached at the end of the first week. It was on Friday afternoon
so he had all week to worry about it. He tried to beg off swimming
by asking his parents. They knew about the rule of nude swimming for
boys. But his father had also swum nude when he had gone to school
so he wasn't sympathetic at all.
"Theres nothing to it, lad. Its perfectly natural" he would say or
words to that effect. His mother backed up his father – in fact she
was even more adamant that her son face up to it "like a man" as she
would say. My friend was outraged by the injustice of it. Why should
boys have to strip nude for swimming while girls were allowed to
keep "their dignity" - and their modesty! His parents were having
none of him trying to "duck out" though. His mother even threatened
to come down to the swimming pool and watch to make sure he swam
nude. (A threat she carried out on a later occasion).
When he carried on complaining his reacted by saying -
"That's just the way things are - you might as well ask why the moon
goes round the earth!" All the time his mum was nodding her head in
agreement with what his father was saying.
He told me that what really galled him was that his two sisters were
listening all the time and giggling – it was all great fun - for
them! But then again they weren't the ones who were expected to
strip nude come Friday!
There was total lack of sympathy from his mother – she finished off
the conversation by saying something like –
"Well I guess if you don't like it you should have made sure you
were born a girl then, shouldn't you!" As my friend said there was
no answer to that!
When he tried to bring up the subject with the other boys at school
they looked at him as if he were crazy! Even worse some of them came
to suspect that he was a wimp for complaining!
"Whats the big deal" he remembered one 14 year old boy telling
him "we've always gone swimming with no swimming trunks – who wants
swim trunks clinging round your legs anyway – they just get in the
way?"
When Friday afternoon finally came it was actually a worse ordeal
than he expected. The boys stripped off nude in the changing room
and then walked out to the pool and stood on the poolside – standing
at attention. What then immediately caught his attention was that
the pool had a rope run down the middle of it – dividing the pool in
two. He told me he didn't grasp the significance of that until he
heard girlish laughter and squealing coming from the girls changing
room. Then he realised what it meant – boys and girls were expected
to share the pool at the same time!
Apparently because the pool was in the town the school had certain
hours allocated to using it. As the allocated time was short it was
decided that boys and girls would share the swim time together.
He couldn't quite believe it what was happening. The doors of the
girls room were suddenly pushed open and a whole classroom of
giggling girls came out – aged from about 10 to 15 led by their
female swim coach who looked no older than 21! His own coach was a
strict PE teacher in late middle age – needless to say - unlike the
boys - he was wearing swim trunks.
The girls were lined up on the other side of the pool looking across
at them. Most of the girls didn't seem to make a big deal of the
fact that they were watching 30 boys totally naked and about their
own age. But some of the new girls were just staring and giggling –
their eyes wide open as well as their mouths – gaping in disbelief.
Among them were his sisters!
That was the part he told me when he really wanted the floor to open
and swallow him up in embarrassment. It was his younger sister who
spotted him first. She stopped giggling – stared open mouthed at
her older brother – then dug her elbow into her sister's side and
pointed across at him. His older sister now saw him – both just
continued staring for a few seconds – then when they fully realised
they were seeing their brother buck naked for the first time they
doubled up with laughter - which triggered off laughter in many of
the other girls.
What made it worse is that apparently my friend was quite well
developed for his 13 years! He told me he went beetroot red from
head to toe – which I can well believe!
The female coach clapped her hands sharply to restore order.
Fortunately his ordeal was soon over. His own coach blew his whistle
which was the signal for the boys to jump in. As soon as they were
in the water the girls coach ordered her girls into the water as
well. There was a strict rule that no boy was to go under the rope
running down the pool and swim into the girls area. As if they
wanted to! He was so embarrassed he clung to the side to keep away
from the girls as much as possible.
Needless to say his sisters gave him "hell" when he got home later
that day. They wouldn't let it drop for weeks. Later of course they
got to see his other brothers swimming as well. He remembered his
sisters telling their parents "they were sooooo glad they had moved
to the new school" (!!)
Well that's about it. Only to add that as time went by he told me
that he got used to the set up - like the other boys. So much so
that within about a month he actually preferred swimming nude and
has tried to do so ever since
Of course later the whole thing was stopped but by that time he had
left school anyway.
As another reviewer as said he wishes schools would bring back this
policy but I guess such thoughts would be unconsidered very un PC in
these times.

Post 3-6: a followup by another person on the above post

hello. i swear to God im telling the truth. the school was Cleveland
middle school on Charles street in Detroit, Mich. in answer to Abes
questions, i was so concerned about developing erections myself, that
i would stay in the cold water as long as i could or cross my legs to
try to hide my penis. plus no one wanted to see any of us guys staring
at anyones penis so we all had to try to look up and at our faces. it
was a test of will. no one wanted to appear gay at that time. i never
noticed any boys getting erect at the pool itself. like i said the
water was always cold so our cocks shrunk up. i wonder what the girls
thought of that? they probably had a few laughs. i will say though
that the black guys all had alot bigger cocks than all of us white
guys. it was very noticable, and they would laugh at us white guys.
especially our first day there.

Post 3-7: possibly from a defunct voy.com board or the now closed experienceproject

High School in Massachusetts in 60's-70's had male gym teacher who didn't bother teaching us 4 males to swim, so each time the girls swam, their female instructor came to get us. The 1st time we were told to shower and wait by the door with only the towels around us. She'd come in and we'd be escorted to the pool where the girls were. then we had to drop our towels and go into the shallow end for instruction. The girls who were also not swimmers were with us, they having swimsuits on and that just made us more excited. To be erect among the girls and that swimming instructor was not something one forgets,she didn't make us feel bad just told the girls that males stick out like that and it is something that they'd enjoy when told in the sex education classes.The 3rd time I was the only one who still managed to go to the class (the other three had excuses) but because I was the sole male there now the instructor took it in turns to show the girls not only how to swim but what a male penis felt like.. I never objected and some of the girls from the gym classes were also in the same sex education class as me, so when we were being taught about sex, some would ask about sex with a male and other sex matters. Then when back at the pool they'd ask the swimming instructor if they could try out some of the things they learned in that class on me. 16/17 is a good time for a male as I seemed to be always erect in that swimming class and 3 or 4 hand jobs in the pool never made me to soft. It was when the instructor started to have a go that I had the best times, She being in her mid forty's and knowing how to control my erect throbbing *****,she sometimes had the girls watch her go under water and do her 'snorkel' technic on me. It was no fanasy on my part, I learned a lot about sex and I even had intercourse with one of the girls while the instructor was watching-she saying it can be counted as part of our sex education course. The swimming instructor showed the girls how to move her head so that they would be able to take in a fully erect penis-this done by her with me sitting on the side of the pool. It was a very good three years at the high school, the girls did talk, but I and not the swim instructor or anyone ever got into trouble. What is wrong with the human body? If you are not afraid to see naked flesh what of it? Children these days see more sex-violence on the screens or on the computer then in real life, seeing the real thing should not be shocking to them.

Post 3-8:

Between the ages of 12 and 15 I was put in the position of exercising and swimming nude under the supervision of women with girls present not nude. It was at a YMCA in Texas in 70s. Most of the time my swimming instructors were male. Women staff and mom's would be there. The girls pool was right next to ours but they wore suits. When I was 14 our coach left and the girls coach took over for four months. She exercised us naked including jumping jacks, which I hated but had to do it as all boys.

I hated swimming naked in front of a bunch of girls and even other guys. It was ridiculous to me that we could not wear trunks. The girls wore suits. I think this was a perversion on the part of male teachers in the sixties.

Post 3-9:

During 6th grade, we moved from a farm to a small town in So. Cal. At the end of the year, my friend invited me to swim in his pool with other neighborhood kids. When I got to his house, there were 4 girls and 3 other boys. We were all about 10 or 11 years old. The girls went into a bedroom to change, while the boys went outside to change on the patio. The other boys all stripped down completely, but I had my trunks on under my clothes. My friend said, "If you wear those, the girls will tease you and call you a sissy." I figured embarrassment was better than humiliation, so I took off my trunks. Then the girls came out. They were all wearing bathing suits. Since I was the new boy in the group, the girls were checking me out, and I began to get an erection. The girls saw it and giggled. They seemed amused to see my aroused penis, but I was turning red from embarrassment. Then we all jumped in the pool and splashed around. Sometimes the boys and girls would get out of the pool and chase each other around the deck. When the girls would try to push a boy in the pool,or vice versa, the boy might get an erection. If one of the girls would see it, she might whisper something to another girl, and they would both look at the boy's penis and smile. After awhile, I got over my embarrassment and was comfortable having the girls see me naked. This took place in the early 1950's, when it was expected that boys could be seen naked by girls, but girls were always supposed to remain modestly dressed.

Post 3-10:

Born in WWII
When I was 7 my family moved to Holland and I went to a mixed boarding school for English speaking pupils between the ages of 8 and 18. I think some of the teachers were English and some were Dutch (or they could have been from other European countries), but as far as I can remember they all spoke good English. In the junior school (8-11) the teachers, who were nearly all female, would look after us in much the same way as our mums did, supervising the showers, bathrooms and dormitories, and so they often used to see us in the nude. So did the school nurse and teaching assistants and we thought nothing of it.

It was probably due to the attitudes of society at the time (especially in Europe) and because the female teachers regularly saw the boys nude that nobody even thought about us having any modesty. Whatever the reasons, when we had swimming lessons the boys had to be nude but not the girls, and in the junior school the lessons were mixed.

Looking back on it now, I think the view of the school was not so much that the boys had to be nude but rather that we had no need for swimming costumes. Nudity was considered the norm for swimming for whatever reasons, but not for the girls. There was a rumour that the headmaster belonged to a nudist club, but no one knew for certain.

It was a time when you did as you were told and so, on the day of our first swimming lesson when we had to line up by the pool in the nude (alongside the girls in their regulation one-piece swimming costumes), we did it without question. There was a bit of giggling from one or two of the girls but the teacher soon put a stop to that.

Post 3-11:

I'm a 6th grade boy at a private school in Texas. We have 1st through 6th grade. There's 5 boys and 13 girls in my class. When we swim the girls wear swimsuits and the boys are naked. One boy only wears a speedo because he already has hair. The rest of us are completely naked. That's the way it's been the whole time I've been here since the 1st grade. The girls have a private dressing room with shower at the pool. Us boys just put our clothes on the benches on the side of the pool and we use the open shower near the pool before and after swimming. Our gym coach is a women and she has to supervise us all the time include shower because the boys will get into trouble sometimes.

In elementary school the boys swam naked and the girls swam in one piece suits with the boys. No one had a problem with this. In junior high and senior high, we had to wear school speedos and girls swim suits.

Found on the Web: Reports of Forced Nudity
Compiled and edited by Editor_N

Post 4: boys and girls naked together

Post 4-1:

“For the first ten years of my boyhood life during the 1970's I lived in London. On the whole I think my school days in London were fairly average except for the wonderful experience of mixed sex showers! At age 7 us kids moved up from the infants to the juniors which was exciting and daunting at the same time as one might expect. Everything was a little different and that also went for our Games lessons. The school didn’t have its own playing fields only a large concrete playground. However, the school did have the use of the public recreation ground in the park about 10 minutes walk from the school. We would walk to the recreation ground carrying our sports bags and equipment, footballs, hockey sticks, bats and balls etc, with Mrs P the girls games teacher leading the way and Mr C the boys games teacher bringing up the rear. When we got to the recreation ground we used to go into the changing block and get changed into our sports kit.

The changing block was an old single story pre war building which had seen better days. The layout was very basic. When you entered the paint peeling door you found yourself in a straight corridor with another exact door at the other end. On the right hand side of the corridor were the two changing rooms. The boys used to change in the first changing room and the girls the next one. The showers were on the left hand side of the corridor with the entrance opposite the boys changing room door. Also the toilets were next to the showers with the door opposite the girls changing room. So you get the picture that the building was split up into four separate rooms with a central single corridor down the middle.

Once changed the boys would usually play football or ruby or in summer cricket while the girls played lacrosse or hockey. When the games lessons were over we all went back to the changing rooms and stripped naked ready for the showers. Once we were all nude us boys and girls all filed out of our separate changing rooms and lined up together in the corridor. It was the first time many of us had ever seen the opposite sex nude and as you can imagine seeing all the naked girls with their pre-pubescent Marys and round bottoms on show gave us boys a great thrill!! But saying that the girls were equally thrilled to see our Willies and bums too! The corridor loudly echoed to our non stop childish giggling and wild exclamations of delight. Only when everyone had calmed down and had stopped giggling were we allowed to enter the showers. Mrs P would stand by the entrance of the showers with a soap dispenser and as we went in one by one she would squirt a small amount of soap into each of our cupped hands for us to wash with. Both girls and boys all mingled happily nude together brushing past each and jostling for position to get under the spray. I think we all accepted our mixed nude communal showers as normal. There were never any complaints of words of protest. The teachers were very professional about it taking no notice of our nakedness and treated us exactly as if we were fully clothed in our school uniform.

My experience of mixed nudity in the school showers continued right up until I was nearly 10 years-old and it only ended then because we moved away from London.

NOTE: I later learnt that originally there were two changing blocks, one for girls and one for boys, but the boys block was damaged in the war by a bomb and pulled down. The remaining girls block was thus left to cater for both sexes. So if it weren’t for the blitz, I would not have had this unique communal nude childhood experience which was my first real delightful view of the naked female body!

Post 4-2: from Usenet/Google Groups rec.nude:

When I was growing up in the United States in the fifties and sixties I
only attended sexually segregated physical activity classes, except for
during the dancing unit. In 1978, Title IX went into effect. I was
surprised when an eighth-grade boy informed me that in his school boys and
girls were changing clothes and showering together. The law was vague until
the courts stated that in changing rooms and other places were nudity was
allowed, separate, but equal was acceptable.

Post 4-3:

I am a female who attended a alternative education high school from 1984-1988. We swam naked together in gym class all the time, both boys and girls.
We were always taught that nudity was not a big deal, and if anyone was bothered, they didn't let on.
it wasn't a big deal to us, and the occasional boy with an erection became a common sight. The boy usually just dove into the deep part of the pool until it went away.

Post 4-4:

UK: Summerhill School as a boarder until 1991
All very juvenile. I did this for real, okay,(see my posts on the naked swimming at school section) and in practice it is just not the big deal it seems when writing about it.
I had totally naked swim lessons, and leisure, in the school pool, with totally naked girls at the same time and in the same class. I did this until I was 16, for five whole years, not naked everytime but certainly 80 percent of the time. Typical swim class was a dozen naked lads, one or two in trunks, half a dozen naked girls, maybe 4 more in costumes. All free choice by the way, but lads peer pressure made it feel compulsory in a way.
What a shame more haven't enjoyed this way of things. I recommend it for fostering healthy, open minded, mature attitudes in those involved.

Post 4-5:

I'm English, but went to school for 2 years in Finland due to my dads work placement at the time in 1984 to 1986. I was aged 13 to 15 at the time I attended a school on the outskirts of Helsinki. In the UK I had already taken showers for about two years totally boys and men teachers only. But in Finland, not only were the showers compulsory, but the changing rooms were mixed, what Americans call co-ed, but the showers were mixed (co-ed) also, with naked teenage boys and girls openly together in the showers and large change rooms. It was a culture shock to me. Everyone was so naturally confident. Except me! Male and female teachers supervised us. When I got back to Britain for the end of my schooling, none of my old friends I rejoined believed me when I told them I'd had to share their school change areas and showers with pretty naked Scandanavian girls
as well as boys, all naked together in the same shower. Whether it still happens I've no idea.

Post 4-6:

Posted below is my original story, absolutely true, about my experience in Jr. High School,(later renamed Taft Middle School,) you can check it out on Google if you wish. It was an interesting experience and I would enjoy hearing from others who had a similar experience.

Ours was the only school in town to have a pool. It was Taft Junior High in Oklahoma City and in the 1950's all the boys were required to swim nude. The girls wore tank suits when it was their turn to use the pool. The boys had the pool Tuesdays and Thursdays and the girls Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays. I remember on several occasions the female PE teacher coming into the swim office to talk to our teacher about something and could easily see us through the glass window.
Some of the boys were more brazen about their nudity than others and an occasional erection was not uncommon. I remember one boy bouncing up and down on the diving board with one of which he was quite proud.
Believe it or not the connecting doors to the girls and boys showers were undercut about 3 inches supposedly for ventilation and toward the end of class during free swim and if the instructor was not watching it was great fun to watch the ankles of the girls going into the showers, run and slide on the wet tile and grab a peek at the girls under the door. If you got caught you got a swat on your bare butt by the instructor. I only had courage to do it once and only remember how surprised I was to see how hairy the girls were down there. We were seventh and eighth graders and not many of us boys had much hair. Thankfully I didn't get caught. Of course the girls peeked too to see all the naked boys in the pool.

Post 4-7:

I don't think it's that common. But it was like that in my school for the second half of my education. I went to a school in the South that was very old fashioned, and had only recently start admitting girls. So the thing was they never got around to creating a separate swim uniform for female students. We had to wear just trunks, same as the boys. At first there were separate glasses, and we didn't mind being topless too much sense it was just girls.

But when they integrated the classes it became very controversial. Some people were still sore about allowing girls at all and refused to change the rule, another camp thought there should be a separate uniform for girls, and others, including alot of the students thought we should just keep the uniform but let girls where a bikini top (in on of the school colors) too. But it was a big fight with angry parents on both sides and everything.

In the end, they just made everyone swim nude. Apparently they only stopped doing that like a decade before (while it was still a boys only school), so in a way it was compromise between the traditionalist and the pro-equality faction, even though nobody really liked it.

Well, some of the more outgoing students did, I guess.

Oh, and there was hardly any paddling. This place did still have corporal punishment I'm sorry to say, but it was only a coincidence if it was ever inflicted while a student was nude for swimming.

Editor_N note: there are reports of co-ed nudity in Chicago public school swimming. Those will be in a future archive post.

Found on the Web: Reports of Forced Nudity
Compiled and edited by Editor_N

Post 5: German exchange visit

Editor_N note: this one is well known but hard to find.

When I was studying German in the 80’s our school set up a network of pen pals with the students from our link school in Germany. We wrote to each other for about a year, and then in year 10 (or the 4th form as it was then) we had two exchange trips – the Germans stayed with us and then we went and stay with them. The German kids were much better at speaking English then we were at speaking German.

When we went over to Germany we had already met so it was like renewing old acquaintances. We stayed with our exchange partners families and spent some of the time on trips to local places of interest and sometime in the German School, sitting in on classes with our exchanges. We had two teachers from our school with us – the woman who was Head of German who was probably in her mid-30’s and a male teacher who was a few years younger. The Head of German had been organizing the trip for several years but I think was the other teacher’s first time.

One day we went with our exchange partners to a mini Swimming Gala – just us and our exchange partners and the teachers (our two and a male & a female German teachers). It was a public swimming pool but the German School had booked it and so we had the place to ourselves – there was only the Lifeguards and attendants there apart from us.

It was mainly for the German kids but we were told to take our swimming costumes just in case there was time for us to have a swim at the end. I think the main purpose of the event was so the German kids could show us how good they were.

When we arrived the German kids went to get changed and we English kids sat on the seats at the side of the pool waiting, ready to watch (the bleachers I think they’re called, although I’ve only just learnt this word.)

After a few minutes the German girls came in wearing their swimming costumes, but it was when the boys came in that we couldn’t believe our eyes – they were stark naked!!! Seeing our reaction our female teacher came up to us and told us quietly like, “don’t stare, it’s the way they do things here.”

But if that wasn’t enough we had even more of a shock when the German teachers came out. The female teacher was wearing a costume but the male teacher was also naked!!!!!! In front of all his pupils, girls & boys!!! Amazingly they didn’t seem to take any notice – it was obviously something that happened all the time. This was certainly an education for us!

During the Gala we could hardly keep our eyes off the naked boys. I’ve got a brother so I knew what boys looked like but some of the girls had only seen Greek Statues and a few diagrams in Biology lessons! The English boys looked less happy, perhaps they thought the German boys were letting the side down, but more likely they were wishing they had the same sort of view of the German girls.

I wish I had my camera with me. They told us before hand that the rule was no cameras in the pool, now I knew why! I thought it was so they wouldn’t get wet.

After the official races were over they announced some invitation events for the English kids to compete against the Germans, starting with the girls. So we all went to get changed, except for those who had “time of the month.”

As there were too many of us for one race they decided to have a relay in teams of 4 with each person doing one length each. There were about 3 or 4 teams of English girls &about the same number of Germans. We didn’t really take it seriously but the Germans were really competitive. They were much better then us and the slowest German team finished before the fastest English one!

They gave us a sporting round of applause at the end and then the male German teacher announced it was time for the boys race. He reminded our boys that no swimming costumes were allowed! Of course he himself was naked the whole time but we got used to that by now.

Our boys looked alarmed, they weren’t expecting this. It wasn’t compulsory for all of them but we had to put at least one team in. One or two of them started nudging each other, sort of “I will if you will” like, and eventually we got a team of 4 volunteers. They nervously stripped off to huge cheers from all the girls and then walked naked to their places – 2 at each end of the pool. Those who were swimming the 2nd, 3rd & 4th lengths had the worst deal as they had to stand there naked for all to see waiting for their turn.

As with the girls, the Germans won easily – they all finished while we were still on our 3rd length! Again there was a sporting round of applause as we finished and our boys were relieved to get dressed again. The German boys still stood around naked without a care in the world.

Then the German teacher announced the Grande Finale – the Teachers Race! Our female teacher was well prepared, she had her swimming costume on under her clothes and in a few seconds she was stripped off and ready to go. All eyes were then on our male teacher who was looking distinctly embarrassed, realizing what was expected of him. The 4 teachers were all standing together, we couldn’t here what they were saying but it was obvious the German teachers were egging him on and our female teacher joined in as well.

Then the English kids started shouting “Come on sir!” “Do it for England!” that sort of thing. We couldn’t believe he’d really do it but after this went on for sometime he started to get undressed in front of everyone! Even then we didn’t think he’d go the whole way but he did!!! When he took his underpants off and stood there naked facing us I nearly fainted. It must be every schoolgirls dream to see her dishy young male teacher naked and here he was before my very eyes!!! It’s an image I shall take with me to my grave. I had often fantasized about seeing him naked as I really fancied him. I know girls are not supposed to have those sort of fantasies but I did.

Anyway they have the race and he gets dressed again straight away, so it’s all over fairly quickly. But – wow!!!

The next day I goes up to him and said quietly like, “That was really brave what you did yesterday sir.”

He smiled nervously and seemed more embarrassed now then he was at the time. “You won’t tell anyone when we get back, will you?” he goes.

“Course I won’t sir” and I gave him a little hug. I don’t know why, I’ve never dared to do that to a teacher before, it was just sort of instinctive like. I really liked him and felt kinda sorry for him now. He was such a good sport – apart from giving me something to think about during the lonely nights!

Us girls all liked him and we decided it wouldn’t be fair to make life difficult for him when we got home.

Back in England our German lessons carried on almost as if nothing had happened, except for one thing. Just occasionally I would make eye contact with him and there’s an almost intimate moment between us. Without saying a word we each knew what the other’s thinking – it was our special secret. I think the other girls who were on the trip had the same experience as well, as I would see him look at one of them some times and lose concentration for a second. We tried not to let it happen in lessons when there were other pupils there who didn’t know about it.

Unfortunately word did get around – I think it must have been one of the boys who spilled the beans – as some of the kids started to tease him, specially the younger ones. I think it must have got to much for him as he left at the end of the year – maybe he was asked to leave I don’t know.

I was really upset to see him go. Not only was he a great teacher, he was a genuinely nice man as well. I tried to find out where he had moved to so I could keep in touch, but nobody in the school would tell me – they probably wanted to give him the chance to make a fresh start.

I got married 8 years ago & told my husband all about this episode but he didn’t believe me. Eventually he said he did believe me but I don’t think he did, it’s just to keep me quiet. Anyway about a couple a weeks ago I found this web sight & showed him some of the stories & pictures, I think he half believes me now.

I’ve been trying for ages to get him interested in cfnm but without much success. He’s happy to act out fantasies just for me, but soon as I suggest letting my friends see him naked he runs a mile. Most guys seem to be only to keen to get there kit off and its usually the girls who need persuasion!

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